Regulator72 80 Posted March 7, 2012 Why is this even news? No arrest, had FID card. I understand the seizure because of the TRO, but come on already... http://mobile.nj.com/advnj/pm_31097/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=ENiEbKwJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy 44 Posted March 7, 2012 The same reason it is NOT in the news when illegally owned guns kill people. The crime is in the news , but the fact that the gun was illegally owned never makes it into a paragraph. Flip to legally owned guns , now you have a story! IMO , they would report it to put a liberal spin on what happens when you "let" people legally collect firearms. They want people to be afraid because he has such an extensive collection. If they could get away with it I'm sure they would have used the word "compound" . The news is no longer the news. It is The Agenda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted March 7, 2012 Looks like I have some catching up to do Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted March 7, 2012 That so sucks, very large collection.. hopefully everthing is well documented and The TRO is resolved and his collection is returned.. No reason for the TRO? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted March 7, 2012 After supervisors arrived, a search of a safe in a locked basement room turned up 15 handguns, 10 rifles, 3 shotguns and 4 pellet guns, the release states. According to the release, 330 weapons were discovered. It must be public school math. 15+10+3+4 = 330. Oh, you know...I'll bet it was all the handmade knives and not 330 guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted March 7, 2012 Seems like they may be reaching for other items that are considered weapons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted March 7, 2012 Yeah I struggle with that math too .. did they count every kitchen knife as a weapon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted March 7, 2012 Moral of story, be wary of what 'friends' you let live with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgstinner 11 Posted March 7, 2012 ...turned up 15 handguns, 10 rifles, 3 shotguns and 4 pellet guns That's 32 items. I wonder what the other 308 "weapons" were. Bullets? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hd2000fxdl 422 Posted March 7, 2012 That's 32 items. I wonder what the other 308 "weapons" were. Bullets? I'll tell you I hope not, only 308 bullets on hand, that would be real sad to be that low on ammo.. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeteF 1,044 Posted March 7, 2012 Kichen knives, baseball bats, chainsaw etc. You know "WEAPONS" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,878 Posted March 7, 2012 Seems like they may be reaching for other items that are considered weapons. Yeah I struggle with that math too .. did they count every kitchen knife as a weapon? That's 32 items. I wonder what the other 308 "weapons" were. Bullets? Kichen knives, baseball bats, chainsaw etc. You know "WEAPONS" I bet it was these. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted March 7, 2012 That's 32 items. I wonder what the other 308 "weapons" were. Bullets? Hollowpoint bullets Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EX Carnival man 223 Posted March 7, 2012 Now thats a man who is prepared for a home invasion. I wouldn't mind at all having him for a neighbor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aleshka 0 Posted March 7, 2012 I am somewhat confused - the article says that "The relative told officers that the recipient did not possess any weapons but that he, the relative, owned several gun, knife, sword and homemade weapon collections" and "Sheriff Ralph Froelich said that neither man has been arrested on charges related to the weapons, but the serial numbers will be checked to make sure the weapons are owned legally. All the weapons were transported to the Union County Sheriff’s Office, processed and secured in the evidence vault" What is the legality of this if the weapons do not belong to the person on TRO and were in the locked safe he does not have an access to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnp 45 Posted March 7, 2012 Am I reading this right..the man who had a restraining order filed against him, didn't own the "weapons" they were his relatives? Why were they seized then? Because it wasn't his legal residence or something like that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M4BGRINGO 139 Posted March 7, 2012 So how did they get into the safe, was it open? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted March 7, 2012 The weapons are at the residence of the individual with the tro. No weapons allowed at the residence Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aleshka 0 Posted March 7, 2012 The weapons are at the residence of the individual with the tro. No weapons allowed at the residence So, the owner could've opted to move them out of the residence instead of being confiscated? And let's say the owner moves to another location, can he claim them back? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rdsmith3 19 Posted March 7, 2012 I bet it was these. Or those evil Wham-o slingshots! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,139 Posted March 7, 2012 Kichen knives, baseball bats, chainsaw etc. You know "WEAPONS" There is some dark humor to this.When is a( ? )a weapon? Kitchen knives vs Ka Bar? camping ax vs battle ax? baseball bat vs nightstick? awls/screwdrivers vs icepicks? That 308# can add up real fast if you get literall(far-fetched?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nikos 31 Posted March 7, 2012 I bet it was these. Those are legal as pictured. Just don't have a high capacity box of paper clip projectiles in the same pile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midwest 28 Posted March 7, 2012 There is some dark humor to this.When is a( ? )a weapon? Kitchen knives vs Ka Bar? camping ax vs battle ax? baseball bat vs nightstick? awls/screwdrivers vs icepicks? That 308# can add up real fast if you get literall(far-fetched?) Don't forget these too... soldering gun heat gun water gun staple gun nail gun And since the person probably had water pipes throughout the house, and since these can be made into guns...they probably got them on 'constructive possession' ...especially if they didn't have the 'water pipe' permit. If they had 400 ft of pipe in the house...that alone translates into 100 'guns'. They probably had pieces of 2X 4 wood laying around, that constitutes a 'billy club' and illegal in NJ so that probably adds up to 25 billy clubs right there..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted March 7, 2012 That so sucks, very large collection.. hopefully everthing is well documented and The TRO is resolved and his collection is returned.. No reason for the TRO? Sucks more than that if I am reading it right. The collection wasn't taken form the guy with the TRO, it was taken from the owner who was a relative unfortunate enough to be cohabitating with the person with the TRO. The owner didn't even do anything and got all his stuff stolen by the cops. Major suckage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted March 7, 2012 if they didn't have the 'water pipe' permit. Uh oh, that's a drug paraphernalia charge too. Water pipe = bong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted March 7, 2012 Moral of story, be wary of what 'friends' you let live with you. things like this only further fuel my reclusive tendencies.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgstinner 11 Posted March 7, 2012 Maybe they had a few of these: 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
axeman_g 128 Posted March 7, 2012 Pardon me if the phrase "jack booted thugs" offends anyone. And I dont mean LEO following laws... I am implying that the NJ pols are JACK BOOTED THUGS. This is ridiculous. Not the TRO named indivs property. He should be given the opportunity to move, not the home owners possessions taken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted March 7, 2012 Moral of story, be wary of what 'friends' you let live with you. The nicest, most responsbile, most law abiding person can get a TRO or otherwise have their firearms confiscated by government for hundreds of reasons that are no fault of their own. The weapons are at the residence of the individual with the tro. No weapons allowed at the residence Must be a Jersey thing. Unfortunately, they pull this firearms confiscation crap in PA, also. But there is no problem with firearms in the residence if the person under PFA (protection from abuse order) does not have access to them. I also know a guy in NJ that is prohibited. His wife has firearms but he has no access. His lawyer knew, the judge knew, his probation officer knew, everybody was cool with it. Those people are all out of his life but he is still prohibited unfortunately. Guess it is something specific to the TRO prohibitor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted March 7, 2012 I think it goes on a case by case basis and how much access the subject of the tro may have or what the tro is for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites