DevsAdvocate 112 Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) At this point, he needs to test a Glock 17, P320, and PPQ the same way. Not sure how they would hold up. Edited December 7, 2015 by DevsAdvocate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 3, 2015 I'm quite surprised. i would have expected it to do much better than that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted December 3, 2015 I like MAC. But he is being totally ridiculous saying he has to rethink his carry gun. Only thing even partially plausible is dirt getting in. His method of torture by flinging the gun at crap is totally stupid. Not many guns can endure that if any. He mentions maybe getting in a brawl and it's knocked away. Still bullsh!t... It nay drop 5 ft, get hurled, may bounce, but still won't fracture the gun. Poly is a lot more durable than that. I just can't believe him. He's usually pretty fair and sensible. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted December 3, 2015 I'm quite surprised. i would have expected it to do much better than that Really? Come on. That was over the def of extreme. It was a stupid test. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted December 3, 2015 I think Jon had some issues with his VP9 at the IDPA training thing Stu had... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsAdvocate 112 Posted December 3, 2015 I like MAC. But he is being totally ridiculous saying he has to rethink his carry gun. Only thing even partially plausible is dirt getting in. His method of torture by flinging the gun at crap is totally stupid. Not many guns can endure that if any. He mentions maybe getting in a brawl and it's knocked away. Still bullsh!t... It nay drop 5 ft, get hurled, may bounce, but still won't fracture the gun. Poly is a lot more durable than that. I just can't believe him. He's usually pretty fair and sensible. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I agree to an extent. But failing the water and dirt test is unacceptable. If a Glock can handle those conditions, why can't a VP9? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted December 3, 2015 I think Jon had some issues with his VP9 at the IDPA training thing Stu had... Still, mac was way overboard. I heard it doesn't like certain ammo. Maybe that was it. I've run ammo through guns I have that puked on certain ammo and all my HKs eat it like its dessert. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted December 3, 2015 I agree to an extent. But failing the water and dirt test is unacceptable. If a Glock can handle those conditions, why can't a VP9? I did mention that could be a problem. Especially with that open area. But the rest? Nah. This gun wasn't made to typical HK standards. Go look at the P30 live fire exercise video. It came out smelling like a rose. Still, the VP is fine for most but don't think special forces will be using it any time soon. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsAdvocate 112 Posted December 3, 2015 Still, mac was way overboard. I heard it doesn't like certain ammo. Maybe that was it. I've run ammo through guns I have that puked on certain ammo and all my HKs eat it like its dessert. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Again, while some tests were meh, the mud and water one was pretty mild. Just because H&K makes a few good guns doesn't mean they can't have some flops in the mix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted December 3, 2015 Coincidentally, I just picked up a VP9 yesterday, so I haven't had a chance to run it through those tests yet. I'll get back to you after I get around to putting it in mud and stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 3, 2015 Really? Come on. That was over the def of extreme. It was a stupid test. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk i should clarify. when he had the problem with that first "puddle" test i was surprised. I'd assume a "fall test" would be something like dropping on concrete out of your holster when climbing over a wall. so say drop it from 10' high just to be sure. throwing at the things was kinda dumb. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 3, 2015 it did look like he was loading the ammo backwards in the magazine. maybe that was the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsAdvocate 112 Posted December 3, 2015 Coincidentally, I just picked up a VP9 yesterday, so I haven't had a chance to run it through those tests yet. I'll get back to you after I get around to putting it in mud and stuff. Be careful, don't get it wet... use it in the rain, or anywhere with water! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted December 4, 2015 Yeah throwing it at the targets was......a bit odd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted December 4, 2015 Throwing guns.. Sounds... Familair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted December 4, 2015 Throwing guns.. Sounds... Familair. i thought was jus for clearing jams..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD2K 115 Posted December 5, 2015 I agree to an extent. But failing the water and dirt test is unacceptable. If a Glock can handle those conditions, why can't a VP9? Failing those simple tests are definitely a concern. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted December 5, 2015 The testing was a bit unrealistic IMO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsAdvocate 112 Posted December 7, 2015 The testing was a bit unrealistic IMO Except for the part where the gun gets wet right? I dunno how ya'll are glossing over that glaring failure... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InFamous 311 Posted December 7, 2015 Except for the part where the gun gets wet right? I dunno how ya'll are glossing over that glaring failure... You mean when he threw it in the small stream then stepped on it twice? Not a likely scenario in real life, but could also be the ammo causing FTF. I have no idea from personal experience, just throwing it out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted December 7, 2015 My sentiments exactly....lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsAdvocate 112 Posted December 7, 2015 You mean when he threw it in the small stream then stepped on it twice? Not a likely scenario in real life, but could also be the ammo causing FTF. I have no idea from personal experience, just throwing it out there.I may have to watch it again, but the first test simply got the gun wet. Then he did a test with dirt and mud. Both instances yielded failure. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InFamous 311 Posted December 7, 2015 I may have to watch it again, but the first test simply got the gun wet. Then he did a test with dirt and mud. Both instances yielded failure. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Both of them he stepped on the gun multiple times. Water test was a little weak with 2 failures I believe. Mud test he caked mud into the gun, so I'm not surprised at the results. He also "washed the gun off" in water and it actually started performing better. So I don't think water is the issue at all, just from my observation of this one video. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted December 7, 2015 Just because H&K makes a few good guns doesn't mean they can't have some flops in the mix. Like the XM8, the G36, the G11, the (arguably) HK 416.... it did look like he was loading the ammo backwards in the magazine. maybe that was the issue. :rofl: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsAdvocate 112 Posted December 7, 2015 Glock Torture test... seems to do quite well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsAdvocate 112 Posted December 7, 2015 P320: Doesn't handle the mud/grit too well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted December 7, 2015 Like the XM8, the G36, the G11, the (arguably) HK 416.... :rofl: i shot a full auto g36. holy crap that was dissapointing. and that integrated scope/red dot was a horrible idea. what are the HK416 issues you speak of? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
O-gre 7 Posted December 7, 2015 Cheap ammo and forcing shit into a gun = failure in any firearm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted December 7, 2015 I did mention that could be a problem. Especially with that open area. But the rest? Nah. This gun wasn't made to typical HK standards. Go look at the P30 live fire exercise video. It came out smelling like a rose. Still, the VP is fine for most but don't think special forces will be using it any time soon. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites