Obama to tighten gun laws by E.O. on Monday!

[Shawnmoore81 623]

I wouldn't agree to that. It's none of their business what I have. the government doesn't come to ask me for permission to use my tax dollars every time they buy a gun.

 

 

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[jackandjill 683]

^^^ I could be wrong here, but If someone were to bring the issue of recording keeping to SCOTUS as violation of 2A, Justices will waste no time in siding with Govt.

 

We all know no anti will take my offer. And even if they did, they will never keep their side of deal. So it remains in the alternative universe for now.

[Stonecoldchavez 92]

I wished he would have shown this much passion for the Paris attacks and San Bernadido. He had crocodile tears.

[paulnj088 9]

what kind of president cry's on live national television>>>???   IMPEACH THIS MAAAN  NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Newtonian 453]

This is 80% politics, 20% the loony left's ongoing battle against individual rights.

 

The politics are obvious. He is doubling down on the bet that most Americans believe in gun control. Hillary can ride this pony all the way to the presidency because despite what we think, despite the polls you may read, the Americans who will decide the next presidential elections are anti-gun. Don't talk to me about swamp-swimming, gator-rassling good old boys from Alabama. The election will be won in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Florida, and Virginia, which are all swinging Democrat. 

 

The other 20% is an old, old story that does not merit repeating.

[nuclearheli 40]

Hmm - sell too many, need an FFL.  Ok - apply to be an FFL, guess what - Once an FFL, no longer need background checks for each gun purchased, OGAM no longer applies, hi cap mags - ok... Is this REALLY what he wants?

Very interesting and passionate topic, great reading. But some things are inaccurate and require a little clarification.

 

As an FFL no 4473 or background check required to transfer a firearm from inventory to personal inventory (Correct)

OGAM no longer applies (INCORRECT). I am subject to one gun a month just like everyone else to personally own handgun in my inventory.

Hi Cap Mags (INCORRECT) I can possess them, sell them out of state etc, but cannot take them and put them in my personal firearm and use them to shoot a match at the range.

 

So no background check required is technically correct however in NJ when I transfer a handgun from inventory to my personal inventory I also need a NJ Permit just like everyone else. And in obtaining that permit I need to complete the State Police forms just like everyone else which in this state means I am subject to a background check.

 

Just for clarification New Jersey FFL's are subject to almost the exact same rules (except 4473's) as everyone else in the state when we want to buy our own personal firearm. Never made much sense but neither does any of the other firearm laws. Bad guys still get guns easier, cheaper and faster than any of us do. 

[Shawnmoore81 623]

If you post pics of something illegal on this forum I will 100% guarantee one of the resident statists will take pleasure in turning you in.

 

 

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[Old School 611]

Hey still waiting for your pics and all I hear are -

 

Nick you are so confrontational.

 

You know you're not supposed to call out a bullshitter.

 

This is the internet.

[Shawnmoore81 623]

Then post whatever pics you want. Goes for both of you. Hell I wouldn't doubt there were anti's on here browsing this.

 

 

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[Shawnmoore81 623]

I totally understand what you guys are arguing about. But unlike a lot of people I don't want to see anyone get jammed up. Go back to your argument

 

 

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[voyager9 3,434]

Dude you are TOTALLY MISSING THE POINT AND COMMENTING OUT OF THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION !

What does your point have to do with this thread topic? Perhaps you can move this to a new thread?

 

 

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[djg0770 481]

Very interesting and passionate topic, great reading. But some things are inaccurate and require a little clarification.

 

As an FFL no 4473 or background check required to transfer a firearm from inventory to personal inventory (Correct)

OGAM no longer applies (INCORRECT). I am subject to one gun a month just like everyone else to personally own handgun in my inventory.

Hi Cap Mags (INCORRECT) I can possess them, sell them out of state etc, but cannot take them and put them in my personal firearm and use them to shoot a match at the range.

 

So no background check required is technically correct however in NJ when I transfer a handgun from inventory to my personal inventory I also need a NJ Permit just like everyone else. And in obtaining that permit I need to complete the State Police forms just like everyone else which in this state means I am subject to a background check.

 

Just for clarification New Jersey FFL's are subject to almost the exact same rules (except 4473's) as everyone else in the state when we want to buy our own personal firearm. Never made much sense but neither does any of the other firearm laws. Bad guys still get guns easier, cheaper and faster than any of us do. 

NEVER did I say that you could put these in your "personal collection"...

[nuclearheli 40]

NEVER did I say that you could put these in your "personal collection"...

Correct, I am sorry I missed your point.

[67gtonut 847]

So much for acting like adults

 

 

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[tattooo 220]

There goes the neighborhood......lol

[njpilot 671]

Were the tears real or manufactured? I wouldn't put it past him. Didn't cry right after Sandy Hook happened or all the other times he's talked about it since.

 

http://www.glennbeck.com/2016/01/06/obamas-tears-real-or-manufactured/

 

"Skeptical of Greenberg’s true intentions, Glenn asked for her “word as an artist,” and she gave it. The result was a secret video of her team applying Vick’s VapoRub under Glenn’s eyes to manufacture tears on demand."

"Due to that enlightening experience, Glenn watched the president’s remarks with keen interest. “I was fascinated by the the fact that he [Obama] reached up to touch his eye before there were any tears,” Glenn said. “He reached up to his eye, and he was like, ‘And I’m really feeling horrible now, and I have to reach up to my eye where there is no tear,’ and then suddenly that eye would not stop tearing. It was fascinating.”

[paulnj088 9]

ever watch wrestling   ITS CALLED ACTING 

did any sandy hook photos get released?. I'm not saying i want to see dead bodies but i think its the only mass killing where nothing was seen except ACTORS

[9X19 125]

Troy please keep this in the Gun Law dissussion thread. Threads often times seem to be perceived as of not being taken as serious once they are moved to the 1st Ammendment forum. I think more people will also see it here in this forum.

Thanks, Roland

[67gtonut 847]

Oh ... I am keeping it here.....

 

Just amazed at times how certain members act....

[1LtCAP 4,263]

There is no constitutional provision nor statute that explicitly permits executive orders. The term executive power Article II, Section 1, Clause 1 of the Constitution, refers to the title of President as the executive. He is instructed therein by the declaration "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" made in Article II, Section 3, Clause 5 or face impeachment. Most executive orders use these Constitutional reasonings as the authorization allowing for their issuance to be justified as part of the President's sworn duties,^[2] the intent being to help direct officers of the U.S. Executive carry out their delegated duties as well as the normal operations of the federal government: the consequence of failing to comply possibly being the removal from office.^[3]

An executive order of the president must find support in the Constitution, either in a clause granting the president specific power, or by a delegation of power by Congress to the president

[1LtCAP 4,263]

so where does the power come from that he thinks he has?

[NJGF 375]

so where does the power come from that he thinks he has?

 

Presidents can pretty take as much power as they want. The recourse is impeachment (a majority in the House and 2/3 of the Senate).

 

A lesser method is to pass an explicit law that stops the president from doing something. This requires a simple majority in both houses of Congress (ignoring the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster in the Senate). But the president will likely veto the law. Congress can override the veto but that requires 2/3 of the Senate which is very unlikely.

 

A more successful method is going to court and having the Supreme court declare the action unconstitutional. This had occurred with the current president more than others. It does take time and he will likely be out of office by the time a case is heard or decided. If he disobeys or ignores a Supreme Court action he greatly would increase his chance of being successfully impeached.

 

So a President can pretty much do what he wants at the end of his term.

[njpilot 671]

 If he disobeys or ignores a Supreme Court action he greatly would increase his chance of being successfully impeached.

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Unfortunately this is not true anymore, especially with the corrupt democrat party. You will always have big govt progressive republicans that will go along with Dems against a repub president, but no Dems will go against obummer or any other dem president.

 

No honor, no honesty, no morals with democrats anymore.

[jackandjill 683]

Only time both parties will go for impeachment is if someone were to do things to them that they do to Average Joe everyday.

Spying ( on powerful politicians)
Remove ability to protect life and property (armed escort)
Travel restrictions
Forced disclosures
Implement permit schemes



Otherwise it's business as usual in DC.

[45Doll 5,877]

so where does the power come from that he thinks he has?

In my opinion it comes from a Republican congress that will not do what it should ultimately do when a president is way out of line: stop funding the presidential violations.

 

And that means doing the funding job for real; 8 to 10 funding bills that deal with specific government segments, not one giant omnibus that will 'shut down the government if we don't pass it'.

 

But hey, the last federal election really didn't matter at all. It appears that at the federal level the 'Republican' party as an opposition party is mostly a fiction. As far as I can see.

[NJGF 375]

And that means doing the funding job for real; 8 to 10 funding bills that deal with specific government segments, not one giant omnibus that will 'shut down the government if we don't pass it'.

 

I think Ryan got elected speaker on the promise to conservatives that starting in 2016 the giant omnibus spending bills will be gone. Only time will tell.

[xXxplosive 824]

This 2A BS is a smoke screen for what is unfolding in the middle east and the new Clinton e-mails that were released during the holidays that nobody's talking about. 

Wake up........

[M1152 713]

Meanwhile while the spin continues Obama is doing a CNN special tonight on guns tonight with Anderson Cooper. The NRA was invited but declined. 

 

NRA turns down offer to be a part of “spectacle” in CNN town hall on guns

[Zeke 5,504]

This 2A BS is a smoke screen for what is unfolding in the middle east and the new Clinton e-mails that were released during the holidays that nobody's talking about.

Wake up........

Angry troll is right

 

A Benghazi movie is coming out on the 15.

 

Both sides are doing their propaganda.

If, jus for one second, we could actually help Americans.... I'm tearing up here now

[45Doll 5,877]

If, jus for one second, we could actually help Americans.... I'm tearing up here now

PM me if you want some 1960's Kleenex I rescued from my mother's house.

 

I used a whole box on Tuesday.