It's so Important for all Gun Owners to unite behind Trump and here is why

[Sig226GuyNJ 128]

I'm not particularly fond of Trump, but here is why he has to be the GOP nominee. Cruz will get stomped on by Clinton and has no chance of winning the Presidency. Hopefully the Bernie supporters will hop over and vote for Trump since they finally realize how much of a lying fraud Clinton is.

 

Here is Chelsea saying that her mom has plans to pass "They believe the next time they make a ruling on gun control, will make a definitive ruling." This is scary for us on so many levels. We need to put aside the bitching and arguing and stand behind ONE candidate that has the chance to beat Clinton and hope he keeps his promises!

 

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/chelsea-clinton-now-scalias-gone/

 

ETA: I posted this in the wrong section. Mod, please move to appropriate section.

[AVB-AMG 530]

All of the polls that I have seen indicate that the only current Republican candidate for the POTUS that could beat Hillary Clinton is John Kasich.
He is not a natural charismatic campaigner like Donald Trump but he also scares far fewer people and his "trust-ability" perception is much higher than Hillary Clinton's.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/poll-john-kasich-vs-hillary-clinton-221192

 

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-24/polls-show-kasich-could-beat-clinton-in-november

[Sig226GuyNJ 128]

All of the polls that I have seen indicate that the only current Republican candidate for the POTUS that could beat Hillary Clinton is John Kasich.

He is not a natural charismatic campaigner like Donald Trump but he also scares far fewer people and his "trust-ability" perception is much higher than Hillary Clinton's.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/poll-john-kasich-vs-hillary-clinton-221192

 

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-24/polls-show-kasich-could-beat-clinton-in-november

Too bad Kasich is being paid by George Soros to stay in the race so that he can take away delegates from Trump. He's part of the Establishment too.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/14/report-soros-money-funding-john-kasichs-presidential-bid/

 

I wouldn't believe anything Politico says. They are just trying to take away votes from Trump and give them to Kasich to make people think he has a chance. This in turn will make Cruz the nominee, which is what they prefer over Trump.

[1LtCAP 4,264]

POLLS can be, have been, and are being manipulated to make things look the way the polltakers want them to look.

[Kevin125 4,772]

POLLS can be, have been, and are being manipulated to make things look the way the polltakers want them to look.

 

You are correct sir.   A few are intentionally manipulated by question wording, order, by sampling and balancing.   Some are altered out of ignorance of the poll takers.  I used to be in that business.  Pollster I worked at is one of those on Real Clear Pol and we were very good at it back then.

 

In any case, the polls taken now about the general election in Nov aren't particularly useful in predicting what's going to happen in November.

 

Trump probably won't have 1237 delegates at the convention.  Unless he does something significant to gather support in the GOP delegate arena, he won't be the nominee.   And depending on how they screw with the rules, it could be Cruz or someone else like Mitch Daniels.   But Trumps statements and his reps statements are getting bizarre.  Yesterday his people told the GOP in Hollywood, FL that he's been playing a role up to this point.  Now that this "phase" is just about over, he'll be shifting what he says to be better for the general election.  He will evolve they say.

 

So ...... who's the real Donald Trump?   The "Bring Back Christmas" guy?  Or the "Sure, let grown men who identify as women use the ladies room while your 10 year old daughter is in there." ....?  ..to cite one issue.  What about TPP, the wall.. security... taxes... oh yeah... taxes... He says "the rich" should be paying more taxes....  If he travels down that path... I may have to rethink what I'd do in November.

[PeteF 1,044]

So ...... who's the real Donald Trump? The "Bring Back Christmas" guy? Or the "Sure, let grown men who identify as women use the ladies room while your 10 year old daughter is in there." ....? ..to cite one issue. What about TPP, the wall.. security... taxes... oh yeah... taxes... He says "the rich" should be paying more taxes.... If he travels down that path... I may have to rethink what I'd do in November.

And that is the problem I have with Trump. He has no stance on anything. He will do what is expedient and best for himself.

 

Gunowners behind anyone BUT Cruz, need to do a little research. Start with Heller and continue with how he made a fool of Feinstein (in a lawyerly way).

 

I'm done supporting the "electable" candidate (Bush, McCain, Romney). I'll support the right candidate.

[xXxplosive 824]

Whether you support him or not Trump's your winner next election.......waiting on FBI investigation of the entire Clinton household including her staff, aides and immediate family.....it's bigger than you think.

[Kevin125 4,772]

And that is the problem I have with Trump. He has no stance on anything. He will do what is expedient and best for himself.

 

Gunowners behind anyone BUT Cruz, need to do a little research. Start with Heller and continue with how he made a fool of Feinstein (in a lawyerly way).

 

I'm done supporting the "electable" candidate (Bush, McCain, Romney). I'll support the right candidate.

 

Correct imo.   Polls should be ignored as far as who to support.  Research the candidates and support whoever you think is best after you have all the facts.

[Kevin125 4,772]

Whether you support him or not Trump's your winner next election.......waiting on FBI investigation of the entire Clinton household including her staff, aides and immediate family.....it's bigger than you think.

 

If the FBI is not obstructed, she is off the table as a candidate.  It's perfectly clear what she did and why and how she broke the law repeatedly.  My concern is that they somehow contain Comey.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if the "Vince Foster" him.

 

But on Trump, if he doesn't get to 1237, he won't win on the 1st ballot.  A lot of the delegates he has are -not- committed.  Even on the first ballot.  At the moment, it appears to me that Cruz has a much better chance in that situation.  But if the GOP alters the rules and removes the requirement that a candidate must have won 8 states, then it's entirely possible they will put up someone else.  What they are weighing now is.. the risk of doing that.  Will too many Trump and Cruz supported not vote? is the question they are weighing.

 

But I can tell you that some in the GOP don't care who wins the election in November.  McCain for one.  He's better positioned to join Gangs of X and be a sell out because that's who he is.  McConnell has the same, but less prominent stripe.  Those people.. if they are in a position to set these rules... won't care one bit if Trump and Cruz supporter walk.  They have no use for conservatives or outsiders.  RINOs control the GOP and RINOs are, as the label states, not really Republicans.  They are more like Dems that are exploiting the GOP for their own gain and agenda.  Ever ask... How could they do that? when they cave on some issue??  They're not on your side.  That's how.

 

(per the forum rules, this should really be in 1A forum.  I thought it was moved.. it wasn't)

[1LtCAP 4,264]

You are correct sir.   A few are intentionally manipulated by question wording, order, by sampling and balancing.   Some are altered out of ignorance of the poll takers.  I used to be in that business.  Pollster I worked at is one of those on Real Clear Pol and we were very good at it back then.

 

In any case, the polls taken now about the general election in Nov aren't particularly useful in predicting what's going to happen in November.

 

Trump probably won't have 1237 delegates at the convention.  Unless he does something significant to gather support in the GOP delegate arena, he won't be the nominee.   And depending on how they screw with the rules, it could be Cruz or someone else like Mitch Daniels.   But Trumps statements and his reps statements are getting bizarre.  Yesterday his people told the GOP in Hollywood, FL that he's been playing a role up to this point.  Now that this "phase" is just about over, he'll be shifting what he says to be better for the general election.  He will evolve they say.

 

So ...... who's the real Donald Trump?   The "Bring Back Christmas" guy?  Or the "Sure, let grown men who identify as women use the ladies room while your 10 year old daughter is in there." ....?  ..to cite one issue.  What about TPP, the wall.. security... taxes... oh yeah... taxes... He says "the rich" should be paying more taxes....  If he travels down that path... I may have to rethink what I'd do in November.

i still don't trust trump. i still think he's a plant. we'll see.

 

 but....my point was, that if he is not, the two people that will beat killary are trump or cruz.....or trump/cruz ticket. kasich has ZERO chance of beating her. they keep trying to say that he will, hoping that we'll all be stupid enough to go along with him being appointed. they're doing whatever they have to do to skew their results to be able to say what they're saying.

 

 or i'm overly paranoid. like i was when i said that electronic voting would be bad. or any multitude of other things i said 20-30 years ago.

[Newtonian 453]

The longer Hillary runs the longer she wins. 

 

 

Here she is, pointing at an imaginary person or thing in her adoring audience, and smiling as if a quarter horse just shit into her mouth:

 

[Sig226GuyNJ 128]

And that is the problem I have with Trump. He has no stance on anything. He will do what is expedient and best for himself.

 

Gunowners behind anyone BUT Cruz, need to do a little research. Start with Heller and continue with how he made a fool of Feinstein (in a lawyerly way).

 

I'm done supporting the "electable" candidate (Bush, McCain, Romney). I'll support the right candidate.

Yes, Cruz was a big asset to the 2nd Amendment Community, but how much of that was just a play so that he can get the gun owners votes? Voting for someone who has no chance is the same as voting for Clinton. Trump is not Bush, McCain, or Romney. In fact, Cruz has very close ties to the Bush family which proves he's just another Establishment Insider. To me, this is a very simple question. Who is the media pushing? Who is the media bashing? I'll vote for the guy the media is bashing. Media is just another outlet to brainwash you and me. Don't fall for it by voting for Cruz. As a former Cruz supporter, he is a lying scumbag like the rest of them. Trump may turn out to be the same, or he may not. But with Cruz, we already know he is an insider.

 

Cruz has close connections to Bush family. George Soros has donated to the Kasich campaign to take delegates away from Trump. Even without all of the other information, just these two statements alone should tell everyone that Cruz is just another insider politician that is being selected by the powers that be.

[NJGF 375]

I am not sure why lots of people buy into the idea that Trump won't get to 1237 (which is being spread by the left media).

 

Look at the remaining states many of which are winner take all. He has huge (yeah huge ;-) leads in almost all of those states. And we are way too far from the election to know how he will do against HRC. If the FBI recommends charges (even if justice ignores the recommendations) the game will change.

[n4p226r 105]

I don't care who it is. I'll vote for whoever is running against Hillary. I don't know if trump can beat her, but I know I see more passion about trump running than anyone else on my social media accounts. Trump would also be good for the 2nd amendment. His son's Instagram follows tells me he's one of us for that topic

[1563621 388]

Trump all the way!, BUT, I will vote for anyone running against that BITCH!

[Kevin125 4,772]

Yes, Cruz was a big asset to the 2nd Amendment Community, but how much of that was just a play so that he can get the gun owners votes? Voting for someone who has no chance is the same as voting for Clinton. Trump is not Bush, McCain, or Romney. In fact, Cruz has very close ties to the Bush family which proves he's just another Establishment Insider. To me, this is a very simple question. Who is the media pushing? Who is the media bashing? I'll vote for the guy the media is bashing. Media is just another outlet to brainwash you and me. Don't fall for it by voting for Cruz. As a former Cruz supporter, he is a lying scumbag like the rest of them. Trump may turn out to be the same, or he may not. But with Cruz, we already know he is an insider.

 

Cruz has close connections to Bush family. George Soros has donated to the Kasich campaign to take delegates away from Trump. Even without all of the other information, just these two statements alone should tell everyone that Cruz is just another insider politician that is being selected by the powers that be.

Sig, I think Cruz is authentic.  He means what he says.  I'm not sure why you think he's a lying scumbag.   He's changed his position on trade.  He doesn't work with Super-PACs.  What they do isn't his doing.

 

On media bashing, I see that's Cruz they're bashing.  Meaning.. the -right- media.  The left media will bash whoever is in the lead.  They hate all American's republicans.  But Fox has become the Trump Super-PAC.

 

But it has to be more than what the media is doing.  They have their own agenda and it has nothing to do with who is good or not good for the country.  You have to look at who is going to preserve our liberty.  Who's going to follow and defend the Constitution.  Who is for free markets.  Who is for lowering our socialist level taxes.  Who is going to give people who's situation sucks economically a real shot at making their lives better with more opportunities.  Not more welfare checks and EBT.

Cruz has Neil Bush working in his organization to raise money.  And Cruz's relationship with GWB was unfriendly, at best.  GWB didn't, and doesn't like Ted Cruz.  Why?  Because Cruz doesn't support the insider mentality.  The support he's getting from people like Lindsay Graham and Jeb Bush is feigned on their part. They (the establishment) just don't want Trump.   They all hated Cruz until they had no other viable choice.

 

Sig, I respect your opinions, and clearly you're highly motivated.  But I disagree with some of what you wrote.

 

I sure as hell hope this nonsense gets settled soon.  Trump has burned a lot of bridges and pissed off a lot of people.  And he's giving the left endless fodder to use against him.  He'd have been better positioned if he didn't handle his campaign like a 10th grade high school student.

[John Willett 70]

Yes, Cruz was a big asset to the 2nd Amendment Community, but how much of that was just a play so that he can get the gun owners votes? Voting for someone who has no chance is the same as voting for Clinton. Trump is not Bush, McCain, or Romney. In fact, Cruz has very close ties to the Bush family which proves he's just another Establishment Insider. To me, this is a very simple question. Who is the media pushing? Who is the media bashing? I'll vote for the guy the media is bashing. Media is just another outlet to brainwash you and me. Don't fall for it by voting for Cruz. As a former Cruz supporter, he is a lying scumbag like the rest of them. Trump may turn out to be the same, or he may not. But with Cruz, we already know he is an insider.

  Cruz is the "insider" and a "lying scumbag"?   Compared to the guy who brags about being a corrupt "businessman" who bought politicians? 

 

I came into this primary season waiting to see who I would support.  There was a new frontrunner every other month last cycle.  I thought Trump would shake things up in a good way.  Unfortunately he has only become a complete embarrassment to the Republican and the Conservative movement.  Now I don't mind Republicans getting beat up a bit, but I do consider myself part of the Conservative movement.  The notion that any conservative would take a second look at Trump without realizing that he is a caricature of a conservative, to me, is blind.  It is pretty obvious he hasn't thought deeply about any of the issues he discusses, and his support or opposition may expire with his next tweet.  

 

By contrast, Cruz has delivered a consistent message that is reinforced by things he has actually done, whether they were popular or not.   Choosing Trump over Cruz would be an awful mistake. 

[siderman 1,138]

Trump all the way!, BUT, I will vote for anyone running against that BITCH!

but

 

Its unfortunate for this country that thats all this election has come down to at least thats how I see it. I'm not happy with any candidate but will do the same.

[Kevin125 4,772]

I thought this would be helpful for those of us who deal with liberal friends... and for some of you liberal folks here.

 

The Totality of Clinton's Accomplishments as a US Senator for 6 Years.

 

Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, for example, sponsored 394 bills when she was in the Senate from 2001-2009.

 

Of those, only six made it through the legislative process and were signed by the president, according to the congressional voting database GovTrack.us.

 

Of the six she claimed as her own, five renamed post offices in the Empire State.

 

She scored a slightly weightier win with Senate Bill 1425, which amended the Safe Drinking Water Act to reauthorize the New York City Watershed Protection Program.

 

 

So there it is.  Other than stealing US Gov't property from the White House when she left it and lying to the parents of the Americans killed in Benghazi... that's it.  Fits nicely on an index card.

[45Frank 32]

I at first looked at Trump but soon after said no way,
His bankruptcies have cost thousands of blue collar jobs, lost healthcare as well as lost retirements while he made millions. When he didn't pay the small contractor in A/C who do ya think that hurt?

He rails about Illegals and borders yet he hires Illegals, he whines about jobs then hires immigrants, he complains about companies outsourcing and does the same thing with his clothing line.

No one knows his stance on the assault weapons ban because he was for it his entire life until he decided to run for president then changed his mind, really.

He was for abortion right up until 3rd trimester too. This is no republican and surely no conservative.

On work visas he changed his mind twice in the same debate then changed it afterward in a tweet all within 5 minutes.

He supported Reid, Pelosi, Clintoon as well as Cuomo the most liberal gov in the country. His NY values and liberal friends gave ya a socialist mayor in delblassio. He's a fake!

[tattooo 220]

You took the words and sentiments right out of my mouth.....perfectly said

[NJGF 375]

The key issue is ANYBODY but HRC! Please try to remember the 11th commandment.

[Kevin125 4,772]

The key issue is ANYBODY but HRC! Please try to remember the 11th commandment.

In the General... Yes. But we're not there yet. Right now, it's the person is gonna protect our rights and freedoms.

[SmittyMHS 603]

The key issue is ANYBODY but HRC! Please try to remember the 11th commandment.

Thats the bottom line. Complain all you want about whom ever you don't want to vote for, but WE have to stick together on that one.

[maintenanceguy 510]

I'm not a Trump fan but I've resolved myself to the fact that I'm going to vote for him.

 

Either he'll get the nomination and I'll vote for him over Hillary.

 

or

 

The GOP will ignore the will of the people and appoint their own candidate.  In that case I'll vote for Trump's 3rd party run just to drive the final nail into the Republican party's coffin because they exist for their own power and money, not to represent me.

[njpilot 671]

Don't forget two other major "Chump" positions.

 

1) He loves eminent domain. Not for what it was intended, but he has stated it is ok to take people's homes to give them to a builder who will build luxury condos because, in his ridiculous opinion, the higher tax base benefits the people, therefore, it's okay. There was talk of this a few years ago with a shore town, I forget which. Might have been Sea Bright. Homes on 36 across form the beach. Homeowners wouldn't sell, the the builder went to the town who wanted to condemn the property for "blight". Basically, chipped paint on houses and weeds in the yard. Condemn their homes and give the property to builders. That's what "Chump" stands for.

 

2) He talks about getting rid of Obummercare, but has stated he likes the mandate.

 

The guy is a fool and a chump. Maybe a chimp. I don't know.

[WP22 1,558]

So, Trump, the guy that supported the AWB is the guy I should be voting for?

 

Screw that. If that gun grabbing supporter is the nominee, I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

[Kevin125 4,772]

I'm not a Trump fan but I've resolved myself to the fact that I'm going to vote for him.

 

Either he'll get the nomination and I'll vote for him over Hillary.

 

or

 

The GOP will ignore the will of the people and appoint their own candidate. In that case I'll vote for Trump's 3rd party run just to drive the final nail into the Republican party's coffin because they exist for their own power and money, not to represent me.

Most people voted for someone other than trump. So if you want to go with the will of the people.... The majority don't seem to want Trump. They want someone else.

 

And.... Nominee selection is not a 1 man. 1 vote process. Its the process of voting for delegates. If he doesn't get the nomination by getting the majority of delegates before July, then he didn't win. It goes to the floor of the convention and the candidates make their case to the delegates until they get a ballot with a winner.

 

Thats how it works. People think it works some other imaginary way, but it doesn't.

[mikeyjones 88]

I'm not a Trump fan but I've resolved myself to the fact that I'm going to vote for him.

 

Either he'll get the nomination and I'll vote for him over Hillary.

 

or

 

The GOP will ignore the will of the people and appoint their own candidate.  In that case I'll vote for Trump's 3rd party run just to drive the final nail into the Republican party's coffin because they exist for their own power and money, not to represent me.

 

Cut off your nose to spite your face?

[n4p226r 105]

So, Trump, the guy that supported the AWB is the guy I should be voting for?

 

Screw that. If that gun grabbing supporter is the nominee, I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

I love this line of thinking. Gun rights are so important to me I'll give them up forever than vote for someone with the greatest chance to protect them. Because if Hillary wins and the makeup of the Supreme Court changes its only a matter of time before heller is overruled.