I Appreciate Assault Weapons. And I Support a Ban

[matty 810]

7 minutes ago, Ray Ray said:

Okay, what is this thread all about?

AVB is paid by the word and response apparently.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

40 minutes ago, matty said:

AVB is paid by the word and response apparently.

Huh?

[AVB-AMG 530]

57 minutes ago, matty said:

AVB is paid by the word and response apparently.

Keep it coming.....
Cha-ching.... Cha-ching.....$$$$

LMAO!

AVB-AMG

[Displaced Texan 11,748]

22 minutes ago, AVB-AMG said:

Keep it coming.....
Cha-ching.... Cha-ching.....$$$$

LMAO!

AVB-AMG

Lol. Gotta keep you in those AMG Mercedes!

[AVB-AMG 530]

13 hours ago, Displaced Texan said:

Lol. Gotta keep you in those AMG Mercedes!

So true... along with the required premium / high-octane fuel and insurance premiums.
But FYI , I am now driving a BMW M-Series for a change of pace...
BMW's tend to stand out less than the M-B AMG's and it worked out ideally during my 2,600 mile cross country road trip last summer through six states when I did my first CCW test run.

AVB-AMG

[GRIZ 3,369]

3 hours ago, capt14k said:

The argument that only cops should be hired as armed SRO, because they are better trained in firearms fails IMO. Many municipal police only need to qualify once a year. This study also shows that their training does not make them a statistically better shot.

 

 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/robert-farago/study-why-police-firearms-training-sucks/

 

 

Also today's Veteran is much different than those of the post Vietnam Era. We have been at war for almost 2 decades. Many have been in firefights. Also many of our Vets are out of work. Retired Police are collecting a Pension. Though the Vet should be given preference, if all else is equal, the best candidate for the job should be hired. They should be in plain clothes and carrying concealed in a school situation. If they need something to identify themselves a baseball cap will do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

95% of gunfighting is mental prep.  Skill at the range is no indicator of how well someone will do in a gunfight.  Being a better shot doesn't necessarily mean you'll do well in a gunfight.

I retired from the military in 2009 not 1967.  Veterans today are no different than they were since WW2 in many respects. Most veterans have never fired a shot in anger.  Not that they weren't capable of doing so.  They never were in the situation.  Just the way it is.

Being an combat experienced veteran doesn't necessarily mean you have skills related to being a SRO.  An infantryman is trained to destroy a target or dispense so much death and destruction on it they give up.  Uniforms in schools seem to upset you but this doesn't?  Battlefield skills in the schools?  

You say if everything else is equal they should hire the vet.  FYI, disabled veterans and veterans have absolute preference when it comes to civil service jobs in NJ.  NJ requires you to be a "war era vet" for this.  You don't have to be in combat just on active duty.  A non-vet gets a 90 on a test and I get a 75, I get hired as a disabled vet.  Vets also have preference on promotional exams where you can't pass over a vet unless you're promoting another vet.

[1LtCAP 4,263]

of the euro cars i prefer beemer our of their big three. even if i could afford them.....i'd still own american or jap though. if going for performance.........ford all the way followed by chevy.  reliability? toyota followed by honda.

[capt14k 2,052]

 

 

 

95% of gunfighting is mental prep.  Skill at the range is no indicator of how well someone will do in a gunfight.  Being a better shot doesn't necessarily mean you'll do well in a gunfight.

I retired from the military in 2009 not 1967.  Veterans today are no different than they were since WW2 in many respects. Most veterans have never fired a shot in anger.  Not that they weren't capable of doing so.  They never were in the situation.  Just the way it is.

Being an combat experienced veteran doesn't necessarily mean you have skills related to being a SRO.  An infantryman is trained to destroy a target or dispense so much death and destruction on it they give up.  Uniforms in schools seem to upset you but this doesn't?  Battlefield skills in the schools?  

You say if everything else is equal they should hire the vet.  FYI, disabled veterans and veterans have absolute preference when it comes to civil service jobs in NJ.  NJ requires you to be a "war era vet" for this.  You don't have to be in combat just on active duty.  A non-vet gets a 90 on a test and I get a 75, I get hired as a disabled vet.  Vets also have preference on promotional exams where you can't pass over a vet unless you're promoting another vet.

 

You missed my point. I really don't want SRO's in schools period. I think allowing the teachers to be armed and providing them the training will be enough of a deterrent. If something does happen I think they will be able to handle it just as well as having a couple SROs on scene. I bet you if the coach at Marjory Stoneman was allowed to be armed he would have had a better chance at stopping the shooter than the SRO hiding outside. Bottom line is school shootings are so rare it is not necessary to expand the police state into our schools.

 

 

My second point was if the mistake is made of putting SROs in every school, they need not be a cop or retired cop. I also disagree that veterans from the peak of the war on terror (aka war for oil) are the same as Vets from peacetime. We have been at a constant state of war for 17 years. Are you saying that since you retired in 2009 you were in Iraq or Afghanistan? I think the chances of a combat vet from Iraq or Afghanistan of having been in a fire fight are a lot higher than a local cop who is not a veteran of the war on terror/oil.

 

 

Statistics show only 22% of cops in towns smaller than 400,000 have ever fired their weapon at another person. Military stats I read were as high as 60% for Vietnam Combat Troops. I also read the 25% number from WWII was a made up stat. Those were the highs and lows I found. From the current war on terror for combat Troops I would expect the percent to fall somewhere in the middle.

 

 

I know Veterans are given preference but why are so many out of work and homeless?

 

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[GRIZ 3,369]

1 hour ago, capt14k said:

 

 

You missed my point. I really don't want SRO's in schools period. I think allowing the teachers to be armed and providing them the training will be enough of a deterrent. If something does happen I think they will be able to handle it just as well as having a couple SROs on scene. I bet you if the coach at Marjory Stoneman was allowed to be armed he would have had a better chance at stopping the shooter than the SRO hiding outside. Bottom line is school shootings are so rare it is not necessary to expand the police state into our schools.


My second point was if the mistake is made of putting SROs in every school, they need not be a cop or retired cop. I also disagree that veterans from the peak of the war on terror (aka war for oil) are the same as Vets from peacetime. We have been at a constant state of war for 17 years. Are you saying that since you retired in 2009 you were in Iraq or Afghanistan? I think the chances of an infantry vet from Iraq or Afghanistan of having been in a fire fight are a lot higher than a local cop who is not a veteran of the war on terror/oil.


I know Veterans are given preference but why are so many out of work and homeless?

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While I think teachers should be allowed to be armed with the proper training that's not going to solve the problem.

About 80% of jobs in the military are support jobs that don't usually put people in positions where they trade shots.

Now you're changing the rules by saying infantry vet.  There is a big difference between fighting in the military and fighting in a law enforcement or self defense capacity.  The most dangerous job with the most people doing it in Iraq or Afghanistan is truck driver IMO.

Veteran's preference varies from state to state.  Unless there's a special hiring program in the Federal government ,veterans only get a few points more on their test.  Besides aren't you for smaller government?  I don't think the government should create more jobs just for vets.

Post 9/11 vets homelessness and unemployment has been affected by the 8 years of the stagnant economy under Obama. About half the homeless have mental issues and half have substance abuse problems.  If there are no jobs for anyone there's no jobs for vets. Same as it is with everyone else.  IIRC the Post 9/11 veteran's unemployment is currently about one half percent less than the rest of the country.

 

 

[remixer 1,645]

I am deeply saddened. It seems the lefts Narrative is taking hold.

If they were able to convince AVB-AMG who has always been known throughout the gun community to hold strong 2nd Amendment Rights, Centrist Political Beliefs along with a solid understanding of the Constitution.

Its game over.

[matty 810]

SO I went to da gym today and the MSM on the tvs was all up in gun control and hate the NRA mode. The brainwashing continues apace. Its no wonder weak minded people quail at opposing emotionally charged propaganda. They have been fed it for so long by the media and they believe it. They join OFA and ShareBlue because its the right thing to do, so they think. They convince themselves that they can change the anti-gun zealots and 'compromise' with them. Trouble is, the 'compromise' ALWAYS results in a loss of rights. There is NEVER give and take with the people that hate you (CNN Town Hall) and want you dead (also CNN town Hall). Even as they take the Judas' silver they are doing Bloomberg and Soros's bidding by lending supposed credence and 'expertise', they remain convinced that this time it will be different. Just like this time socialism will work, he won't beat me anymore, she won't do heroin anymore, IF I JUST DO THIS THING THEY ASK.

The shills among us are here to introduce weakness and convince people to cave in by floating these propaganda pieces.It's a well known tactic that has been used for centuries. Don't be fooled.

[CAL. .30 M1 2,101]

23 hours ago, Ray Ray said:

7 pages of what?

Nuthin

[Rob0115 1,105]

Thankfully Florida just voted down an AWB minutes ago.  They also voted down the bump stock ban and mag limits.  They only thing they approved was a 10% tax on CWP licenses, I’ll live with that now.  A lot of people fought for their rights.  I’ve spent the entire day making calls and writing mails.  I will also be supporting very pro-2a republicans only in the elections this fall.  Fortunately Florida still has a repub super majority, they aren’t the best 2a Republicans but they demonstrated today that they know where their bread is buttered.  It was scary that I almost moved to a tropical version of NYS

[Zeke 5,504]

1 minute ago, Rob0115 said:

Thankfully Florida just voted down an AWB minutes ago.  They also voted down the bump stock ban and mag limits.  They only thing they approved was a 10% tax on CWP licenses, I’ll live with that now.  A lot of people fought for their rights.  I’ve spent the entire day making calls and writing mails.  I will also be supporting very pro-2a republicans only in the elections this fall.  Fortunately Florida still has a repub super majority, they aren’t the best 2a Republicans but they demonstrated today that they know where their bread is buttered.  It was scary that I almost moved to a tropical version of NYS

It follows you.. been saying that since post 1.

2a is national and citizen right, states should have no say. Or abolish the f part of ATF

[Rob0115 1,105]

5 minutes ago, Zeke said:

It follows you.. been saying that since post 1.

2a is national and citizen right, states should have no say. Or abolish the f part of ATF

Zeke youre right.  Most of the antis that testified at the hesring were professionals protedtors and not Florida residents.  The battle is on nationally and no state should be left behind.   

[Zeke 5,504]

Just now, Rob0115 said:

Zeke youre right.  Most of the antis that testified at the hesring were professionals protedtors and not Florida residents.  The battle is on nationally and no state should be left behind.   

 

[Mrs. Peel 7,157]

7 minutes ago, Rob0115 said:

Zeke youre right.  Most of the antis that testified at the hesring were professionals protedtors and not Florida residents.  The battle is on nationally and no state should be left behind.   

Good god, Rob! Don't tell Zeke he's right. Some of us still up here have to deal with his ego. NEVER feed the ego. What were you thinking, really? 

[Zeke 5,504]

[Rob0115 1,105]

10 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said:

Good god, Rob! Don't tell Zeke he's right. Some of us still up here have to deal with his ego. NEVER feed the ego. What were you thinking, really? 

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion. 

[capt14k 2,052]

Okay, what is this thread all about?

Nothing. It's like Seinfeld.

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[voyager9 3,434]

Federal AWB bill released at the federal level today. Basically a rehash of the 2013 bill. 

And if you think that’s bad, go check out the MN one also released today.  

[1LtCAP 4,263]

hopefully(most likely) it won't go through.

[voyager9 3,434]

17 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

hopefully(most likely) it won't go through.

I don’t disagree. At the Federal level it’s a way for the Dems to justify not supporting FixNICS. You could argue the merits of the bill itself, but they’re opposition has nothing to do with that. They just want to block anything that the Republicans could use as “doing something”. 

On the Fed, and especially MN bills, loom there for an example of what they want 

[remixer 1,645]

Is it me or does anyone else feel like punching this asshole in the face along with his buddy the liberal failure of a sheriff.

I'm sure someone will bitch "how can you say that about a Survivor".

Well i can.. This is beyond stupid.

BTW i stand with FEDEX!

 

[remixer 1,645]

BTW this sums it up.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/02/26/nolte-david-hogg-spreads-conspiracy-theories-cnn/

 

 

[n4p226r 105]

On 2/23/2018 at 5:21 PM, AVB-AMG said:

T Bill:

I have no intention of giving up what I already own and do not think I will ever have to do so. 
 
Unlike you and some others here on NJGF, I do not believe it is an "all or nothing" situation.  I do believe that we can collectively come up with an acceptable compromise that would address this problem, potentially reducing the risk of future similar mass shootings, while still allowing gun owners to keep and enjoy their guns.

Also, I appreciate and agree with almost all of George Carlin's stand-up "The American Dream" routine.  It is funny, but more importantly it is true.  Regardless of where your political preferences are, both parties and their Senators / Congressmen are controlled by and beholden to the wealthy, special interests of major donors, corporations and industries. 

AVB-AMG

do you own any semi-auto with a detachable magazine?  do you live in NJ?  if so, you may one day have to do just that.  NJ currently bans any semi auto/detachable magazines with 2 evil features.    NY and california ban any with a detachable magazine and 1 evil feature.   there is a new bill in california being proposed to ban semi-auto rifles with a detchable magazine.  they dont care.  they wont stop.  it is all or nothing.  there is no other way.  

[AVB-AMG 530]

2 hours ago, n4p226r said:

do you own any semi-auto with a detachable magazine?  do you live in NJ?  if so, you may one day have to do just that.  NJ currently bans any semi auto/detachable magazines with 2 evil features.    NY and california ban any with a detachable magazine and 1 evil feature.   there is a new bill in california being proposed to ban semi-auto rifles with a detchable magazine.  they dont care.  they wont stop.  it is all or nothing.  there is no other way.  

Yes
Yes
Hopefully, not before we move out of NJ

We just disagree on that last point....

AVB-AMG

[n4p226r 105]

8 minutes ago, AVB-AMG said:

Yes
Yes
Hopefully, not before we move out of NJ

We just disagree on that last point....

AVB-AMG

than why not cut yours up or turn yours in.  if you believe its ok for them to ban these rifles, lead by example.   there are plenty of acceptable compromises that rational people can make to meet in the middle.  you are going up against people that hate you and would rather you be in jail for having a 15 round mag than a repeat drug dealer.  you do realize what you are saying is acceptable is generational confiscation. they arent confiscating YOUR guns, but as soon as you die it gets confiscated.    it also goes against just about every supreme court interpretation of what the 2nd amendment actually means.  

[n4p226r 105]

On 2/26/2018 at 5:16 AM, remixer said:

I am deeply saddened. It seems the lefts Narrative is taking hold.

If they were able to convince AVB-AMG who has always been known throughout the gun community to hold strong 2nd Amendment Rights, Centrist Political Beliefs along with a solid understanding of the Constitution.

Its game over.

going to have to change his name to AWB-AMG

[1LtCAP 4,263]

that kid looks like the next mass murderer. he just has that "look" of crazy.