1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, bennj said: I don't know about that, isn't a mailbox technically government property? So we used to be able to go to the mailbox, now we have to unholster and leave it on the property while we retrieve the mail? If passed, it states a thumb break is permissible, I was planning on gluing a strip of velcro with snaps attached to my current holsters so I should be good to go ( insert sarcasm doohicky here). in my case, my mailbox is inside my fenceline. that said.....if i'm responsible for the sidewalk.......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigGuns 262 Posted October 22, 2022 2 hours ago, 1LtCAP said: we could do that before too Exactly. But now they spent hundreds of dollars getting a permit to do the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xtors 333 Posted October 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Carolina Native said: Safariland 575 https://safariland.com/products/model-575-iwb-gls-pro-fit-holster-model_575 Interesting, except they don't make it for what I own... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted October 22, 2022 In the videos, the bill's sponsor is asked repeatedly, "So where can people carry weapons?" To which he replies, "I wouldn't feel comfortable having people carrying here, and I wouldn't feel comfortable having people carrying weapons there." Well, excuse me, but F his comfort! He is in the legislature representing us to protect and defend the Constitution, not to make himself feel more comfortable. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 22, 2022 where he feels comfortable or not is irrelevant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,754 Posted October 22, 2022 Bruen clearly calls out, for example, that the ‘island of Manhattan can’t be called a ‘sensitive area’ simply because it’s crowded’. By the same token, most of NJ cannot be called a sensitive area, simply because some legislators aren’t comfortable with having firearms ‘near them’. Fuck that. I imagine, like most other states, polling places, large venues (such as a pro sports, or concert venue), schools, and govt buildings will be held as sensitive areas. That I can see. Making everywhere but your own yard an exclusion zone ain’t gonna fly. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 22, 2022 i'm torn on the polling places and large venues thing. we're either trusted as legal gun owners or we're not. that said, people do stupid shiit when they drink....and they always seem to drink in excess at sporting events. and concerts. i can't come up with an excuse at polling places. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,434 Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said: that said, people do stupid shiit when they drink.... Careful. That’s only a slight detour to allowing the ban on carrying at bars or anyplace that serves alcohol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b47356 21 Posted October 22, 2022 54 minutes ago, voyager9 said: Careful. That’s only a slight detour to allowing the ban on carrying at bars or anyplace that serves alcohol. Have you read the bill? 5. (New section) Safe carry requirements for authorized holders of a permit to carry a handgun. a. The holder of a permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-4 shall not: (1) use or consume alcohol, a cannabis item, or a controlled substance while carrying a handgun; (2) be under the influence of alcohol, cannabis, or a controlled substance while carrying a handgun; [...] 7. (New section) Places where the carrying of a weapon is prohibited. a. Except as otherwise provided in this section, it shall be a crime of the third degree for any person, other than 2[a person lawfully carrying a firearm within the authorized scope of an exemption set forth in N.J.S.2C:39-6 and only to the extent permitted by the entity responsible for security at the place in question] an active or retired law enforcement officer in accordance with subsection f. of this section2, to knowingly carry a weapon, as defined in subsection r. of N.J.S.2C:39-1, in any of the following places, including in or upon any part of the buildings, grounds, or parking area of: [...] (15) a bar or restaurant where alcohol is served, and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises; https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bill-search/2022/A4769/bill-text?f=A5000&n=4769_R2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, voyager9 said: Careful. That’s only a slight detour to allowing the ban on carrying at bars or anyplace that serves alcohol. yea i know, that's why i'm torn on it. my basic premise is that if i trust you to walk amongst me and those i love then i can trust you with a firearm. if i can't trust you with a firearm, then i need to know why you're not still in prison. not you personally, but you get the point..... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tunaman 552 Posted October 22, 2022 I'll put 2 small screws and a fuckin' rubber band. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike77 169 Posted October 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Displaced Texan said: Bruen clearly calls out, for example, that the ‘island of Manhattan can’t be called a ‘sensitive area’ simply because it’s crowded’. By the same token, most of NJ cannot be called a sensitive area, simply because some legislators aren’t comfortable with having firearms ‘near them’. Fuck that. I'm not comfortable with a man, wearing a dress, in a girl's bathroom....... But let's not get off subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,157 Posted October 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Old Glock guy said: In the videos, the bill's sponsor is asked repeatedly, "So where can people carry weapons?" To which he replies, "I wouldn't feel comfortable having people carrying here, and I wouldn't feel comfortable having people carrying weapons there." Well, excuse me, but F his comfort! He is in the legislature representing us to protect and defend the Constitution, not to make himself feel more comfortable. Even worse, his statements (and the whole bill) show a profound (and perhaps purposeful?) ignorance of the realities of crime. How can someone who knows so little about crime be the sponsor of a bill like this? I could show you dozens of crime studies, all from credible sources - Fed, State, universities - and they ALL will show the same damn thing - ex-felons are committing on average about 70% of gun crimes (and other serious crimes too), then the 2nd largest group (another 15-20+% depending on the study) are people who also did something wrong previously (either they had a string of misdemeanors, or they got the gun illegally, etc.). Legal gun owners contribute a scant amount to crime - that's just a fact - most studies show that group to be in the single digits in terms of contributing to crime. They are statistically a non-issue. A bill like this one also conveniently ignores that defensive gun uses in this country are measured (at minimum) in the hundreds of thousands, with some studies showing them to be in the millions. So, when a nimrod politician like this is talking about what makes him feel "comfortable" - well, it just about makes my head explode. He's operating from a position of pure ignorance. The reality is that a law like this will have either zero (or a negligible) effect of lowering crime, but what it WILL do is create more victims because they weren't allowed the means to protect themselves. What a pompous little fool this man is. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,754 Posted October 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said: Even worse, his statements (and the whole bill) show a profound (and perhaps purposeful?) ignorance of the realities of crime. How can someone who knows so little about crime be the sponsor of a bill like this? I could show you dozens of crime studies, all from credible sources - Fed, State, universities - and they ALL will show the same damn thing - ex-felons are committing on average about 70% of gun crimes (and other serious crimes too), then the 2nd largest group (another 15-20+% depending on the study) are people who also did something wrong previously (either they had a string of misdemeanors, or they got the gun illegally, etc.). Legal gun owners contribute a scant amount to crime - that's just a fact - most studies show that group to be in the single digits in terms of contributing to crime. They are statistically a non-issue. A bill like this one also conveniently ignores that defensive gun uses in this country are measured (at minimum) in the hundreds of thousands, with some studies showing them to be in the millions. So, when a nimrod politician like this is talking about what makes him feel "comfortable" - well, it just about makes my head explode. He's operating from a position of pure ignorance. The reality is that a law like this will have either zero (or a negligible) effect of lowering crime, but what it WILL do is create more victims because they weren't allowed the means to protect themselves. What a pompous little fool this man is. Y’all need to kick him to the curb 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,434 Posted October 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: Y’all need to kick him to the curb Need to kick him in the nuts, but he ain’t got any. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,754 Posted October 22, 2022 Just now, voyager9 said: Need to kick him in the nuts, but he ain’t got any. Hence kicking him to the curb. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted October 22, 2022 10 hours ago, crazyboy said: Surely none for any of us that run weapons mounted lights, at least I have not seen one. The Level 2 requirement, if it passes, is just another defacto ban by the anti gun liberals. Not a ban just another form of harassment and financial burden. This whole process has been a financial drain, guns, ammo, training, holsters (many), magazines, fees, etc. There trying to put us all in the streets. 12 hours ago, Carolina Native said: Safariland 575 https://safariland.com/products/model-575-iwb-gls-pro-fit-holster-model_575 Oddly, enough i have one for the Sig 365/365xl for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bomber 1,092 Posted October 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Old Glock guy said: In the videos, the bill's sponsor is asked repeatedly, "So where can people carry weapons?" To which he replies, "I wouldn't feel comfortable having people carrying here, and I wouldn't feel comfortable having people carrying weapons there." You may not carry on train You may not carry on plane You may not carry here nor there You may not carry anywhere.. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted October 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Bomber said: You may not carry on train You may not carry on plane You may not carry here nor there You may not carry anywhere.. Nicely done, Dr. S.! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted October 23, 2022 I saw how the state PBA tried to get an exemption. These lawmakers just betrayed all the retired cops. Retired cops now have to “ out” themselves to potential cop haters? Do these lawmakers understand what cops and retired cops have to put up with or the threats we get? It’s not overt threats . Sometimes it’s just visine eye drops in our drinks or extra spit in our food at restaurants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 923 Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/22/2022 at 5:29 PM, b47356 said: ] an active or retired law enforcement officer in accordance with subsection f. of this section2, to knowingly carry a weapon, as defined in subsection r. of N.J.S.2C:39-1, in any of the following places, including in or upon any part of the buildings, grounds, or parking area of: If this means that they can carry in restaurants that serve alcohol while we can't F THAT NOISE. Law enforcement should only be able to carry while on duty if they want a law like this. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 923 Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/22/2022 at 7:34 PM, Displaced Texan said: What a pompous little fool this man is. You are far to polite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,326 Posted October 24, 2022 14 hours ago, Old Glock guy said: Nicely done, Dr. S.! 22 hours ago, Bomber said: "You may not carry on train You may not carry on plane You may not carry here nor there You may not carry anywhere.." 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, brucin said: If this means that they can carry in restaurants that serve alcohol while we can't F THAT NOISE. Law enforcement should only be able to carry while on duty if they want a law like this. Law enforcement does not want this law. The police union is trying to get exceptions for their active members and maybe, half heartedly get it for their retired ( non voting ) members. Most law enforcement do not want this law. Go look at the testimony of the PBA representative. He was scared to offend the bill sponsor because he was afraid of what else he would add to it and might not give his membership any exemption to this …….. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M1152 713 Posted October 24, 2022 THURSDAY: CARRY-KILLER BILL MOVING IN BOTH SENATE COMMITTEE AND FULL ASSEMBLY Please Keep Contacting Legislators! https://www.anjrpc.org/general/custom.asp?page=URGENTCarryKillerBillMovingThursday 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bushmaster1313 61 Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 2:08 PM, marlintag said: 4. Some sensitive locations will remain, some will be shot down like private property and churches/synagogues/mosques etc. Churches, synagogues and mosques are in the New York law Where are houses of worship called out in the New Jersey Bill? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, Bushmaster1313 said: Churches, synagogues and mosques are in the New York law Where are houses of worship called out in the New Jersey Bill? They are not in the NJ bill, specifically, that I can find. However there are several clauses in the NJ Bill that could be applied to houses of worship depending on the facilities/events: "a school, college, university, or other educational institution and on any school bus;" - bible school " a child care facility or day care center;" - if church is providing child care/day care "a privately or publicly owned and operated entertainment facility within this State, including but not limited to a theater, stadium, museum, arena, racetrack, or other place where performances, concerts, exhibits, games, or contests are held;" - Performances / Bingo games In addition to the catch-all "private property". 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,779 Posted October 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: They are not in the NJ bill, specifically, that I can find. However there are several clauses in the NJ Bill that could be applied to houses of worship depending on the facilities/events: "a school, college, university, or other educational institution and on any school bus;" - bible school " a child care facility or day care center;" - if church is providing child care/day care "a privately or publicly owned and operated entertainment facility within this State, including but not limited to a theater, stadium, museum, arena, racetrack, or other place where performances, concerts, exhibits, games, or contests are held;" - Performances / Bingo games In addition to the catch-all "private property". When are we gonna protest this shit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike77 169 Posted October 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, CMJeepster said: When are we gonna protest this shit? Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 24, 2022 31 minutes ago, CMJeepster said: When are we gonna protest this shit? My advice - put more effort into getting out a Pro-2A vote in every NJ election rather than protesting. They have already shown multiple times that they DO NOT CARE what you think. NJ (D) legislators really only react to 2 things - Something that hurts their wallet, or something that hurts their chances at re-election. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites