School shooting in CT

[ChrisJM981 924]

They just reported they found his father dead in his home. Sick fugg of the me me me generation.

[njpilot 671]

Now it's reported that the father was found dead in NJ.

[njpilot 671]

Just updated it to "at least" 20 children and 8 adults dead.

[fishnut 2,358]

I am not religious but for people like this shooter I really hope there is a hell and I hope he burns in it forever!!

[silverado427 10,731]

OMG. My heart goes out to all of the victims.

[papercutninja 24]

Latest news is that picture is NOT the Ryan Lanza in question. He's been posting on Facebook that he was at work, and also not dead of a self inflicted gunshot wound.

[bbk 188]

I'm just going to put it out there because some of these comments are gross over-generalizations. The comments about a certain generation having massive issues that lead to such problems is overstated-- and really only stoke a fire of misdirection/disinformation. Sure, I might not have taken the road like every other 26 year old I know, having served. However, having been involved in college and other environments where the contemporary generation are involved, we're not all lazy and expect everything on a silver platter. I know plenty of people who have a job or two on top of multiple internships, while putting in 18-21+ credit semesters knowing full well they're overpaying for college, racking up debt, and most likely will receive an entry-level job that barely even requires a college degree. And why? Because its expected. And that to me is reflective of the larger issue in regards to this topic of debate. The discourse surrounding generational differences is the root of many "ism"'s, and regardless of what "old-timers" believe, the contemporary generation is very much aware. The problem that we often times conclude is that no change for the better is feasible as long as the older generation is hardwired in. So, unfortunately, the problem goes both ways in terms of perception.

My point? Generational issues are not the root of evils here.

 

However, what I can agree upon is what Lt. Col. Grossman states in his book ("On Killing") where he does talk about how the militarization of society has indeed desensitized the contemporary generation on killing. How the lack of empathy (note: not "awareness") is due to extenuating hegemonic circumstances, similar to those used by marketing companies to push tobacco and crappy foods. This is a generational issue in the sense that the problem was not as prevalent until the Vietnam war and post-Vietnam war era/present day. However, this doesn't pit generation against generation. This is a larger problem of society, and, I'll admit, a lack of faith.

[areacode201 4]

Looks like the shooter just had it out for the parents and the poor kids were targets of opportunity.

[JrzyGuy30 0]

Where is everyone getting all of the newest info?

 

Www.drudgereport.com

[JrzyGuy30 0]

Pres Obama is scheduled to speak at 3:15pm. Joy.

 

Fantastic *sarcasm

[JrzyGuy30 0]

Here we go... Obama says it: it's happening too often. He says he's going to take action soon so it doesn't happen anymore. Oh boy.

[jermz1987 243]

I'm just going to put it out there because some of these comments are gross over-generalizations. The comments about a certain generation having massive issues that lead to such problems is overstated-- and really only stoke a fire of misdirection/disinformation. Sure, I might not have taken the road like every other 26 year old I know, having served. However, having been involved in college and other environments where the contemporary generation are involved, we're not all lazy and expect everything on a silver platter. I know plenty of people who have a job or two on top of multiple internships, while putting in 18-21+ credit semesters knowing full well they're overpaying for college, racking up debt, and most likely will receive an entry-level job that barely even requires a college degree. And why? Because its expected. And that to me is reflective of the larger issue in regards to this topic of debate. The discourse surrounding generational differences is the root of many "ism"'s, and regardless of what "old-timers" believe, the contemporary generation is very much aware. The problem that we often times conclude is that no change for the better is feasible as long as the older generation is hardwired in. So, unfortunately, the problem goes both ways in terms of perception.

My point? Generational issues are not the root of evils here.

 

However, what I can agree upon is what Lt. Col. Grossman states in his book ("On Killing") where he does talk about how the militarization of society has indeed desensitized the contemporary generation on killing. How the lack of empathy (note: not "awareness") is due to extenuating hegemonic circumstances, similar to those used by marketing companies to push tobacco and crappy foods. This is a generational issue in the sense that the problem was not as prevalent until the Vietnam war and post-Vietnam war era/present day. However, this doesn't pit generation against generation. This is a larger problem of society, and, I'll admit, a lack of faith.

 

 

 

There is always going to be the older generation wagging their fists at the younger generation.

[greatgunstatenj 32]

I'm just going to put it out there because some of these comments are gross over-generalizations. The comments about a certain generation having massive issues that lead to such problems is overstated-- and really only stoke a fire of misdirection/disinformation. Sure, I might not have taken the road like every other 26 year old I know, having served. However, having been involved in college and other environments where the contemporary generation are involved, we're not all lazy and expect everything on a silver platter. I know plenty of people who have a job or two on top of multiple internships, while putting in 18-21+ credit semesters knowing full well they're overpaying for college, racking up debt, and most likely will receive an entry-level job that barely even requires a college degree. And why? Because its expected. And that to me is reflective of the larger issue in regards to this topic of debate. The discourse surrounding generational differences is the root of many "ism"'s, and regardless of what "old-timers" believe, the contemporary generation is very much aware. The problem that we often times conclude is that no change for the better is feasible as long as the older generation is hardwired in. So, unfortunately, the problem goes both ways in terms of perception.

My point? Generational issues are not the root of evils here.

 

However, what I can agree upon is what Lt. Col. Grossman states in his book ("On Killing") where he does talk about how the militarization of society has indeed desensitized the contemporary generation on killing. How the lack of empathy (note: not "awareness") is due to extenuating hegemonic circumstances, similar to those used by marketing companies to push tobacco and crappy foods. This is a generational issue in the sense that the problem was not as prevalent until the Vietnam war and post-Vietnam war era/present day. However, this doesn't pit generation against generation. This is a larger problem of society, and, I'll admit, a lack of faith.

 

Well said. I always get a chuckle from the generational crap. It's as if the older generations take no blame for the society they had a hand in creating. There are sick demented people in every generation.

[mikelets456 78]

+1. As he said, 19 men with box cutters did a lot of horrible damage 11 years ago.

 

But our lives and freedom have been greatly restricted since then and these progressives have a great argument that nothing happened since then. I know what you mean and agree with you. It is sick twisted people and we know far, far more people are killed once firearms are banned.

 

I feel for the families of all that have died. I know the horrors of this first hand after the brutal stabbing of my nephew. I saw how that ripped aprt his family and the effects of this senseless murder still are rippling outward. Prayers and thoughts are with the families

[Jaws 1]

The bodies aren't even cold yet and you are already talking about your fear of losing guns. You're no better than people screaming for bans. People lost their kids today, think about that. There will be plenty of time to debate the rest.

[bbk 188]

This is all that really needs to be said........and I am not speaking SOLELY about Judeo- Christian faith........

Absolutely. As a person who has found God again, I feel so ripped up over this situation. On one hand, injustices of our reality must be addressed. On the other, believers know full-well justice will be dealt. And I don't mean to turn this into a talk of religion, but, for me, it helps me cope with such an unspeakable and tragic event.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

The bodies aren't even cold yet and you are already talking about your fear of losing guns. You're no better than people screaming for bans. People lost their kids today, think about that. There will be plenty of time to debate the rest.

 

Well said.

 

Rob Pincus posted this today too - good stuff for those of you with kids to think about.

http://www.icetraining.info/what-do-you-tell-your-kids-after-the-spree-killing-in-sandy-hook-ct/

[mattio41 0]

There was a link to a story in another thread, about using tragedies in a knee jerk reaction to promote more controls. Anybody know what I am talking about, and if so, do you know where the link is.

[KpdPipes 388]

The bodies aren't even cold yet and you are already talking about your fear of losing guns. You're no better than people screaming for bans. People lost their kids today, think about that. There will be plenty of time to debate the rest.

 

While I agree with you on principal..the reality is that the Antis have already started their cries. So far the facts are somewhat lacking. Apparently the gunman killed his father in hoboken, with whom he resided, then drove to Ct and shot and killed his own mother in her classroom, then shot up her students, subsequently killingalso the principal and several other adults before killing himself. there hasnt been any meaningful speculation thus far about Motives.

[KramD52 0]

I think that it is a combination of things, upbringing, stress or the inability to cope with it, etc. But I still believe that it is the desensitizing nature of the media (tv shows, movies, video games, etc) that has the greatest impact on people growing up. Violence and gore that is seen routinely on tv now was unheard of 35-40 years ago. It has to effect children (growing up) negatively.

 

Here we go... Obama says it: it's happening too often. He says he's going to take action soon so it doesn't happen anymore. Oh boy.

 

Yup, we gun owners and our guns are now political targets of opportunity due to these recent incidents. RIP

[Caine 147]

18 kids pronounced dead at school - 2 kids pronounced dead at hospital. 6 adults pronounced at school. Confirmed by state police

[mikelets456 78]

This is all that really needs to be said........and I am not speaking SOLELY about Judeo- Christian faith........

 

Yup... when you're held accountable to the creator of the universe, taught to treat others as you want to be treated and believe and OBEY you have a transformation. When you have to answer to God, there are NO excuses....and yeah, there is that whole eternity thing.

 

Prayers with the kids and families. Life will never be perfect, but what was done here is pure evil. Can't always blame 100% on the parents but every avenue these kids take lead to unrealistic outcomes. Couple that with rarely being told "no", getting everything you want and thinking only of yourself eventually this is what happens. Maybe the conversations about gun violence should start being focused on culture of self centered, self pity angry kids with broken homes, a society that blames and does not take responsibility and removal of God.

 

Look up the stats when prayer was taken out of school in 1963...coincidence? Nope!

[tony357 386]

They need to stop these stupid interviews.. This is the main reason he did it.. Nobody should know who he is..

[Malsua 1,422]

So now it's Adam Lanza(brother) that was the shooter? Guns owned by mother.

 

Ryan Lanza is in custody?

[JackDaWack 2,895]

What does faith have anything to do with this? You don't need faith to be a decent human being.

[A-Tech 8]

They need to stop these stupid interviews.. This is the main reason he did it.. Nobody should know who he is..

 

THIS. Putting him in the spotlight post-tragedy, only creates a stage for future mass tragedy. People always want to "one-up" the last guy. Aurora, Oregon, now CT? I can see it now, "Mass tragedy sweeping across the nation"

[tony357 386]

And why are the not announcing this as a copy kat killing spree?

[millsan1 3]

Dr. Drew on CNN did just that just now.

 

And why are the not announcing this as a copy kat killing spree?

[greatgunstatenj 32]

 

osted Today, 03:35 PM

Nickjc, on 14 December 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

 

This is all that really needs to be said........and I am not speaking SOLELY about Judeo- Christian faith........

Absolutely. As a person who has found God again, I feel so ripped up over this situation. On one hand, injustices of our reality must be addressed. On the other, believers know full-well justice will be dealt. And I don't mean to turn this into a talk of religion, but, for me, it helps me cope with such an unspeakable and tragic event.

 

Like anything else religion can be perverted by demented people. Look at the hard core pro-lifers who kill abortion doctors, muslims who believe non-believers should be put to death, the crusades... Faith (organized religion or not) and morals are two completely different things. They aren't mutually inclusive!

 

Some people are just F*cked up, doesn't matter their walk of life, religious beliefs, etc.

[Malsua 1,422]

The Ryan Lanza pictured up thread has posted on his faceboook. It's not him.