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has the governor mentioned anything about a reduction in property taxes due to the schools being closed.  The savings must be astronomical on busing alone.  I would estimate most property owners should see a savings of 30 to 40% .   I have not heard a peep about this. 

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That would be nice but no way that’s happening. I would take anything since I pay for my kids to go to Catholic school in addition to the NJ school tax. Yeah I know it’s my choice to send my kids to Catholic school, but still in my mind I’m paying two school taxes and I’d be ecstatic to get any kind of a rebate

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56 minutes ago, revenger said:

has the governor mentioned anything about a reduction in property taxes due to the schools being closed.  The savings must be astronomical on busing alone.  I would estimate most property owners should see a savings of 30 to 40% .   I have not heard a peep about this. 

I don't really think the governor has any control over municipal budgets to make a statement one way or another. 

Besides your district budget was spent last year. Basically all those contracts were approved and it would be up to the company providing the service to cancel those contracts and the payments. 

Who knows what stupid plan they put into place next year.. no doubt its gonna be expensive for districts to meet their guidelines. 

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1 minute ago, Kevin125 said:

Lower taxes.....  lmao.

You can bet your a$$ NJ will raise taxes as will municipalities after this.  

True that. I’m Atlantic County so I will be feeling the wrath of the closed Casino’s during this pandemic for a good long time to come

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Governments operate under the Goodfellas principle which is apropos since they ultimately are a bunch of gangsters.

-you lost your job because we shut your place down? Fuck you, pay me.

-you can't get the rent because we told your tenants it was ok not to pay? Fuck you, pay me

-you can't evict the tenant for non payment because we said so? Fuck you, pay me.

-you job is slow because it depends on the economic activity generated by others? Fuck you, pay me.

-can't sign up for employment? Fuck you, pay me.

-are you broke because our actions? Fuck you, pay me

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, revenger said:

has the governor mentioned anything about a reduction in property taxes due to the schools being closed.  The savings must be astronomical on busing alone.  I would estimate most property owners should see a savings of 30 to 40% .   I have not heard a peep about this. 

Reduction in taxes? Perish the thought. Things still have to be paid for. 

Busing is still going on in my wife's school district since some drivers are delivering meals to students daily. 500,000 students in this state qualify for the reduced or free meal programs. Sometimes lunch, sometimes breakfast and lunch. When school is out for summer recess, how do they get fed? In certain districts there are "food delivery stations" where they can go to pick up their meals. And it doesn't stop at the meals program. iPad insurance is waived for some, field trips are free for some. Too many people know how to take advantage of the system today. It started out years ago with a handful of people that were truly needy, but has grown exponentially for obvious reasons. 

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posting this again? 

The answer is the same as last time this was posted almost verbatim. 

There's likely not savings in busing unless the town owns and operates the buses as they have to pay out their contracts. 

There's no lunches, but both buses and lunch budget are going into the continuation of nutrition efforts. So no savings there and possibly increased expenses. 

They still have to pay the teachers, pay benefits, pay payroll taxes, etc. 

You might save some on HVAC, but it's the time of year that usually requires the least heating and cooling. 

You are probably also getting whacked with police OT as those who are not out sick are covering other shifts. 

And you will see the state and counties try to push fiscal burdens to the municipalities because property taxes are a "consistent and reliable" source of revenue. 

 

 

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Well, this is a PA example... but, my (very left-leaning, Bernie fan) of a friend just told me recently (quite proudly, in fact) that she was "so glad their district had such a strong union, yada-yada-yada", because right now, as an elementary reading specialist, she's required to be available for Zoom calls with parents, staff meetings, responding to emails, etc. between the hours of 10 & 12. That is ALL she's required to do under the new district pandemic rules... and that's all she's doing. 2 hours a day, 10 hours a week - still getting full-time pay - and getting a ton of personal projects done around her house with all the "free time" she has. I do believe the regular classroom teachers  (not the specialists) have a "somewhat" fuller schedule, but even then, much of the "teaching" is being handled by simply emailing, collecting and grading assignments, because not all of the kids are consistently on the computer to do full virtual classrooms. So, there are no full school days for any staff, at least in that one Poconos region  district. I advised her it might be wise to not sound so cheerful about that when speaking with other PA residents.

She's a bright woman, I swear... yet, she seemed puzzled by my comment. I actually had to spell out how a taxpayer who lost a job or had their business closed might resent the hell out of her getting paid nearly 90K a year for a 9.5-month year, particularly when she's now only required to work 1/4 of her normal schedule - since, ya know, they, the taxpayers, are the ones actually paying her salary (and right now, they're also picking up the slack by essentially homeschooling their own kids). She seemed genuinely "startled" at the concept, like I suddenly sprouted a unicorn horn right in front of her. It's just amazing how that "union attitude" takes hold in otherwise hardworking, decent public employees - they forget that it's not the union paying them, or even the government - it's their fellow citizens.  

So, yeah, most of the education expense is locked down in negotiated union contracts anyway. So, taxpayers are still on the hook for the same amount of cha-ching, whether they're getting the full value of their investment or not. That's just the reality. I expect New Jersey's taxes will actually skyrocket over the next couple of years - hard as that is to imagine. 

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1 hour ago, raz-0 said:

posting this again? 

The answer is the same as last time this was posted almost verbatim. 

There's likely not savings in busing unless the town owns and operates the buses as they have to pay out their contracts. 

There's no lunches, but both buses and lunch budget are going into the continuation of nutrition efforts. So no savings there and possibly increased expenses. 

They still have to pay the teachers, pay benefits, pay payroll taxes, etc. 

You might save some on HVAC, but it's the time of year that usually requires the least heating and cooling. 

You are probably also getting whacked with police OT as those who are not out sick are covering other shifts. 

And you will see the state and counties try to push fiscal burdens to the municipalities because property taxes are a "consistent and reliable" source of revenue. 

 

 

Do you know who's expenses are still the same too? That poor bastard who's job got went by order of the government and can't sign up for unemployment benefits because the OS is from the 80's. That's who. 

When we were told we were all in the same boat I didn't realize some of us would be riding in a  leaky sloop. Or I misunderstood what they meant by "we". They actually meant "you"

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29 minutes ago, WP22 said:

Do you know who's expenses are still the same too? That poor bastard who's job got went by order of the government and can't sign up for unemployment benefits because the OS is from the 80's. That's who. 

When we were told we were all in the same boat I didn't realize some of us would be riding in a  leaky sloop. Or I misunderstood what they meant by "we". They actually meant "you"

I don’t disagree that there’s going to be a reality check on getting blood from a stone. 
 

That’s why you are seeing the lefty media excoriate southern states opening up while their home states are doing the exact same thing despite having a lot more infected people. The bills are coming due and they have no money.  There won’t be any savings being passed on to anyone. Because there are no savings, just fiscal holes. 

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Mortgage defaults are rising quite a bit, for obvious reasons.  Many roll the town taxes into escrow, so if no monthly payment is forthcoming, the quarterly tax bill falls short.  And if 75% of property tax is meant for the school, uh oh.

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13 minutes ago, raz-0 said:

I don’t disagree that there’s going to be a reality check on getting blood from a stone. 
 

That’s why you are seeing the lefty media excoriate southern states opening up while their home states are doing the exact same thing despite having a lot more infected people. The bills are coming due and they have no money.  There won’t be any savings being passed on to anyone. Because there are no savings, just fiscal holes. 

I look at the economy as a battery on a car sitting unused. After a while it drains and the car won't start no matter what you do.

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2 hours ago, AlDente67 said:

Mortgage defaults are rising quite a bit, for obvious reasons.  Many roll the town taxes into escrow, so if no monthly payment is forthcoming, the quarterly tax bill falls short.  And if 75% of property tax is meant for the school, uh oh.

Escrow accounts don't typical run month to month. Your always a few months ahead... but that mean this shit needs to end soon. 

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https://www.nj.com/education/2020/05/nj-got-310m-in-covid-19-aid-for-schools-heres-what-your-district-will-receive.html

 

Look where nearly ALL the money is going!!! 

So think again if you expect some kind of tax relief...

 

Newark City Essex $19,290,708
Camden City Camden $12,501,190
Lakewood Township Ocean $11,770,110
Paterson City Passaic $11,619,797
Jersey City Hudson $11,065,428
Elizabeth City Union $6,986,898
Passaic City Passaic $6,099,002
Union City Hudson $5,267,656
Trenton City Mercer $4,826,105
Atlantic City Atlantic $3,747,332

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53 minutes ago, njJoniGuy said:

And just wait until you see where the gas taxes go with the lack of traffic and fuel consumption these days.

Did I hear someone say "We're going to be the East Coast California" ???

:vava:

Somebody has to pay for all those essential road projects...

no other way to put it — we are fucked

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Saw last night that the NJ tax burden per person is $65,100, one of the highest if not the highest in the nation. The bulk of the expense is reported to be for state employees and state retirees benefits 

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35 minutes ago, NJ_Sig said:

Saw last night that the NJ tax burden per person is $65,100, one of the highest if not the highest in the nation. The bulk of the expense is reported to be for state employees and state retirees benefits 

Depends how you assess it. The state doesn't actually spend that much on state benefits in contrast to what they owe. Neither do they directly spend a ton of money on state employees. 

A majority of the budget is used for the school funding formula, basically redistribution of wealth to shit cities. And the other big chunk is for social programs like medicaid etc... 

We basically just send all of our money to inner cities, or places like Lakewood that are literally scamming taxpayers.. and the state Supreme courts started all this

 

https://www.njlm.org/DocumentCenter/View/7570/FY2020-Budget-In-Brief

Page 10 has the break down. I encourage anyone complaining about taxes to take a look at these budgets.. im amazed at how little people know about it.. even if their complaints are legitimate. 

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1 hour ago, JackDaWack said:

Well there ya have it.. why do they get $1000 dollars, and no one else is this state?

The same reason all the crap-tier cities get money to keep kids in school. You have to keep all the [cleansed to remove political reference for outside 1A] pacified with something or they will tear each other apart. Camden will look like the Thunderdome in a month.

It's cheaper to keep them in school than the alternative (jail). 

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