Kdin1 11 Posted March 5, 2023 I did the same thing I just put clear tape over the open edge 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deff 16 Posted March 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, dajonga said: I "laminated" my original FID from 2009 with shipping tape and it still looks brand new. I did the same with my PTC. I trimmed it down as tight as possible and wrapped it in shipping tape. Fits in my wallet perfectly. Kinda crazy but Middlesex County court made me sign something that would invalidate the permit if I altered, cut or changed the shittily laminated permit they handed to me. PA non resident permit was laminated immaculately. Not surprised. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Deff said: Kinda crazy but Middlesex County court made me sign something that would invalidate the permit if I altered, cut or changed the shittily laminated permit they handed to me. PA non resident permit was laminated immaculately. Not surprised. Note this one for a future effort to combat unlawful abuse of shit like this, like ANJRPC strike force's effort to combat additional shit to get FPIDs and P2Ps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malaka 4 Posted March 5, 2023 3 hours ago, joeg said: Probably a stupid question, but here goes. When I got the permit, the PD laminated it for me. The card is larger than would fit in my wallet, so I trimmed the excess laminate off, but got too close on the side so now I can pull it apart. Do you think it would be ok to bring to staples or some place and have them re-laminate it over the original lamination, then I'll just get a separate holder just for the PTC card? I wouldn't recommend relaminating. It's thin but having 4 layers isn't that thin anymore. It expires in 2 years so using some tape to patch up the edges will be just fine. Just care not to seperate as the laminate may peel and rip the permit. Also may lift up ink as well. I did the same mistake to trim down my FID and trying to remove the lamination is making it worse so I just taped the edges with regular scotch tape. Still holding strong today 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeg 3 Posted March 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Malaka said: I wouldn't recommend relaminating. It's thin but having 4 layers isn't that thin anymore. It expires in 2 years so using some tape to patch up the edges will be just fine. Just care not to seperate as the laminate may peel and rip the permit. Also may lift up ink as well. I did the same mistake to trim down my FID and trying to remove the lamination is making it worse so I just taped the edges with regular scotch tape. Still holding strong today I'll keep it as-is and hope it goes digital in 2 years. Thanks guys! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[email protected] 13 Posted March 6, 2023 Make a copy, sides. Laminate it and you have a spare! It's only paper. My picture was printed to the ID not glued on. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alupnorth 13 Posted March 7, 2023 Good morning All, NY State resident. As of today, my $50 money order has been cashed. Now that they have my money, we will see when I hear from them. Applied 10/25/22 Totowa NJSP. No communication since then. Also, I have an appointment to pick up my Pennsylvania permit on 3/14/22 at Pike County. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted March 8, 2023 Meanwhile, in NYC: ‘Unconstitutional’: Gun Owners Sue NYC Over Allegedly Illegal License Denials (msn.com) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xtors 333 Posted March 10, 2023 Anyone from Hamilton in Mercer, I spoke with the court today regarding amending the list of qualified weapons. He suggested I start with the Township and if that doesn't work then go to the Ombudsman's office and file a motion to amend with the court. He didn't think there was a form or anything but did suggest a lawyer (???). Will reply with any updates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted March 10, 2023 On 1/28/2023 at 9:47 AM, High Exposure said: Read the actual legislation. The actual law is the “in writing” you seek. The legislation does not specify what guns you can carry other than to say you have to be the legal owner of the firearm and you have to qualify with A gun - not the gun you intend to carry. Having to qualify with and/or having to specify/list in writing what specific guns you wanted to carry was an extra step that the courts imposed at their will. This goes beyond what the legislation actually states. If your permit was approved by the courts, and the court added stipulations, those stipulations still apply until the courts vacate them or your permit expires. A court order is legal and enforceable until it is officially rescinded by the court. Just because people are currently receiving permits without restriction from their local PDs doesn’t remove the limitations that were imposed on you you when your permit was issued. If your permit was issued by the Courts and it lists specific guns, you are stuck with that until you: • Your permit expires and you renew • You get the court to amend or update the court order • You restart the process at your local PD from the beginning and are granted a permit there As an update to my post from January: The following case was decided in the appellate court in March 6: https://www.njcourts.gov/sites/default/files/court-opinions/2023/a0921-20.pdf BLUF: “To remove restrictions from a duly issued permit in light of Bruen, it is incumbent upon the permit holder to apply for an unrestricted permit. Defendant could not simply disregard the restrictions imposed by the carry permit issued to him, especially since defendant violated those restrictions long before Bruen was decided.” and “Defendant was obliged to comply with the court-ordered restrictions in the permit that was issued to him. Although Bruen changed the criteria for issuing a carry permit in this State, it certainly did not empower permit holders to disregard judicial orders. The proper procedure in these circumstances, rather, is to apply to amend the permit or apply for a new one.” 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dude,Sweet 4 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) Timeline for Camden County Feb 8 - App Submitted to Cherry Hill Pd Feb 22 - fingerprinting done Feb 28 - references called Mar 8 - approved and picked up Delco: Feb 12 - Online App Submitted Feb 27 - Got Email for NJ PTC requirement Mar 8 - uploaded NJ PTC after picking up Mar 9 - received approved email Mar 10 - picked up. Edited March 10, 2023 by Dude,Sweet 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted March 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dude,Sweet said: Timeline for Camden County Feb 8 - App Submitted to Cherry Hill Pd Feb 22 - fingerprinting done Feb 28 - references called Mar 8 - approved and picked up Delco: Feb 12 - Online App Submitted Feb 27 - Got Email for NJ PTC requirement Feb 8 - uploaded NJ PTC after picking up Feb 9 - received approved email Feb 10 - picked up. Fast. Wow! Municipality? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dude,Sweet 4 Posted March 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, CMJeepster said: Fast. Wow! Municipality? Camden County. Submitted to Cherry Hill PD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,748 Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Dude,Sweet said: Delco: Feb 12 - Online App Submitted Feb 27 - Got Email for NJ PTC requirement Feb 8 - uploaded NJ PTC after picking up Feb 9 - received approved email Feb 10 - picked up. Did you drive a DeLorean equipped with a flux capacitor? Judging by your dates, time travel of some sort had to been involved… 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dude,Sweet 4 Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Displaced Texan said: Did you drive a DeLorean equipped with a flux capacitor? Judging by your dates, time travel of some sort had to been involved… Lol… typo.. fixed it to reflect correct dates… and yes, i do drive a DeLorean… but i ran out of banana peels to power the flux… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,748 Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, Dude,Sweet said: Lol… typo.. fixed it to reflect correct dates… and yes, i do drive a DeLorean… but i ran out of banana peels to power the flux… Where did you get a Mr. Fusion? I need one… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dude,Sweet 4 Posted March 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: Where did you get a Mr. Fusion? I need one… Where else but Etsy? Only 1 more left… 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g17owner 137 Posted March 10, 2023 After hearing of numerous accounts of people successfully asking their local police departments to re-issue their court-ordered carry permits at the PD level, in order to receive an unrestricted permit, I looked into doing this for myself. My local PD chief said he was willing to do so. But, this was a new request for them and as such they wanted to verify with NJSP whether or not they could. I've done a little writeup on the outcome. https://www.news2a.com/new-jersey/your-local-pd-cannot-reissue-your-court-issued-carry-permit/ 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tunaman 549 Posted March 10, 2023 Absolutely pathetic. These democrats are PATHETIC! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted March 13, 2023 On 3/10/2023 at 1:57 PM, g17owner said: After hearing of numerous accounts of people successfully asking their local police departments to re-issue their court-ordered carry permits at the PD level, in order to receive an unrestricted permit, I looked into doing this for myself. My local PD chief said he was willing to do so. But, this was a new request for them and as such they wanted to verify with NJSP whether or not they could. I've done a little writeup on the outcome. https://www.news2a.com/new-jersey/your-local-pd-cannot-reissue-your-court-issued-carry-permit/ Contrary to what I heard in Old Bridge. The lady that runs the FIDs and Permits told my FFL she can re-issue his permit... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g17owner 137 Posted March 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, Krdshrk said: Contrary to what I heard in Old Bridge. The lady that runs the FIDs and Permits told my FFL she can re-issue his permit... For any PD that checks with NJSP, this is the guidance they will be given. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Krdshrk said: Contrary to what I heard in Old Bridge. The lady that runs the FIDs and Permits told my FFL she can re-issue his permit... That was the guidance given in Middlesex County prior to the court decision on 3/6. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted March 14, 2023 Ah - you're correct. They can't amend your existing permit - however you can get a NEW permit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vdep217 63 Posted March 14, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 4:40 PM, Dooly said: I just spoke to 2 prominent 2A attorneys and they both have no idea how to interpret my situation. To reiterate my situation, I have None ticked for restrictions but there is a list of the firearms that I qualified with further below in the white space. There is no mention of being limited to them either. So to summarize, I have None for restrictions, but there is a list of firearms further below. The attorney even called the county judges office to see if they can amend my permit to just have it blank or to get clarification however they said the judge is not amending anyone's permit nor providing how to interpret it. In the end, the attorneys then just recommended to stick with whatever firearm is listed on the back to err on the safe side unless I want to spend a ton of money (which I don't have) to get iron clad clarification. Lovely. The officer running them at my local pd said with no restrictions you can carry any firearm you own regardless of what's listed. He did however say in the event you have to use you will be scrutinized to proficiency with firearm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB24 37 Posted March 14, 2023 What is it your trying to accomplish. To carry something not on the qualified list? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xtors 333 Posted March 14, 2023 FYI, I just spoke with a US Law Shield attorney regarding amending permits, etc. This is what I was told. There are two sure-fire ways to "remove" the restrictions: Wait 2 years. Surrender your existing permit and reapply, "surrender" being the key term in order to be able to honestly answer (I think) question 19 on the new application. One not-guaranteed way to remove the restrictions: hire an attorney to deal with the township and courts. However, PD and courts in OTHER counties may not honor this. The counties appear to be roughly split in half on this question. The legislature took away the courts' authority to issue permits so on paper they cannot modify existing orders (NJSP direction aside). He used the example of a restraining order. Should the local PD be able to change what a judge ordered? Or if the judge is no longer serving (retired, defrocked, or restricted legally), should he/she be able to change the order? As well, this issue has an automatic sunset built-in when everyone's permits need to be renewed. At that time any court cases or challenges will be rendered moot. So, if you don't want to wait, Option 2 will be your cheapest. I am sure the townships will love this but the legislature being derelict and judges doing stuff not required are to blame. Also, regarding training requirement changes, which should land in about three months, the rumor is that basically the NJSP won't rock the boat too much for existing permit holders, e..g., if you took your training from someone of the official list at the time you will still be good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted March 14, 2023 For what it's worth, I'm in Morris county and I received a carry permit with a separate court order listing the firearms i qualified with and was allowed to carry. instructions indicated that I should contact the court to have additional firearms added. I contacted the Morris County Superior Court yesterday and they confirmed that I could send in proof of ownership and qualification for additional firearms and they would be added. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alupnorth 13 Posted March 14, 2023 24 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said: For what it's worth, I'm in Morris county and I received a carry permit with a separate court order listing the firearms i qualified with and was allowed to carry. instructions indicated that I should contact the court to have additional firearms added. I contacted the Morris County Superior Court yesterday and they confirmed that I could send in proof of ownership and qualification for additional firearms and they would be added. That's good to hear. I am a resident of Orange County, NY. I hope the NJSP will feel the same as the Morris County Superior Court. I qualified with an additional firearm since my application. I applied at Totowa 10/25/22. Still waiting, though my $50 money order was cashed a week ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeg 3 Posted March 15, 2023 On 3/14/2023 at 12:05 PM, 124gr9mm said: For what it's worth, I'm in Morris county and I received a carry permit with a separate court order listing the firearms i qualified with and was allowed to carry. instructions indicated that I should contact the court to have additional firearms added. I contacted the Morris County Superior Court yesterday and they confirmed that I could send in proof of ownership and qualification for additional firearms and they would be added. So you can send in proof of ownership (model, serial #, etc) and then they issue a new card that lists the new guns? I heard from the PD that you could carry any gun you own, but what if you want to add 10 guns - I doubt there would be enough room. I wish they would just add a note that says something like 'Allowed to carry any gun registered to him/her' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted March 15, 2023 On 3/14/2023 at 7:34 AM, Vdep217 said: The officer running them at my local pd said with no restrictions you can carry any firearm you own regardless of what's listed. He did however say in the event you have to use you will be scrutinized to proficiency with firearm What does that mean? Proficiency is a measured metric. Unless the law requires you be proficient with the specific firearm, and in ways outlines what that means, it's not something that can be argued against you. If you've given reason to show you lack proficiency, you start down the path of things like reckless endangerment, manslaughter etc... essentially you put a bullet where it should never have gone. That is why YOU make sure YOU are proficient. It's not because you are worried a good shoot might question why you used that gun, but to prevent yourself from an unintended consequence turning a good shoot into a bad one. 42 minutes ago, joeg said: So you can send in proof of ownership (model, serial #, etc) and then they issue a new card that lists the new guns? I heard from the PD that you could carry any gun you own, but what if you want to add 10 guns - I doubt there would be enough room. I wish they would just add a note that says something like 'Allowed to carry any gun registered to him/her' No restrictions mean no guns listed... Listing guns would appear to show a restriction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites