Rob0115 1,109 Posted January 14, 2016 I grew up there and it was an utter shit hole where I was. I guess it hasn't gotten better. Anyone view this video from this past week? That's right around the corner from the courthouse where most of the Essex County Sheriff's department is located. https://www.facebook.com/253882354789813/videos/vb.253882354789813/546467588864620/?type=2&theater How come this guys life doesn't matter? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Rizzo 59 Posted January 14, 2016 No words.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lalo 13 Posted January 14, 2016 So, hypothetical question here. What if this person had a CCW. Would an attack like this warrant the use? Does it matter if they were armed or not? Don't mean to start a shit-storm, just curious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris327 30 Posted January 14, 2016 why isnt this on nj.com or north jersey? or atleast i didnt see it anywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,882 Posted January 14, 2016 why isnt this on nj.com or north jersey? or atleast i didnt see it anywhere. Black on Black crime... it's in Newark so known high crime area... To them it's not news, it's every day occurrences? Same as like all the violence in south Chicago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albanian 121 Posted January 14, 2016 So, hypothetical question here. What if this person had a CCW. Would an attack like this warrant the use? Does it matter if they were armed or not? Don't mean to start a shit-storm, just curious. Hmm, I would say no. Context is hard to tell. They do gang up on him but he keeps going at them. I can't tell what was going on. Now granted if I walked by and saw the sucker punch and subsequent beatings as he was on the ground, drawing wouldn't be a bad idea. Then again, we are talking NJ, I am assuming we are in a free state like PA and I am properly licensed. Anyway I went to Newark to buy my Bearded Dragon a nice big home. I went with a few of my cousins as this was a craig's list purchase. It all went well, but when I was there a fight broke out down the street. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted January 14, 2016 So, hypothetical question here. What if this person had a CCW. Would an attack like this warrant the use? Does it matter if they were armed or not? Don't mean to start a shit-storm, just curious. Disparity of force. No difference if they are armed or unarmed. You need to articulate why you were in fear of your life or serious injury. You might be justified in shooting one of your assailants. Each use of deadly force situition is judged on its own merits. The situation presented in the video doesn't justify Chuck Norris using a firearm. If you're in your 60s with arthritis, a heart condition, and emphysema you probably would be. Very few use of deadly force situations are black and white. Most fall some where in the grey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris327 30 Posted January 14, 2016 Black on Black crime... it's in Newark so known high crime area... To them it's not news, it's every day occurrences? Same as like all the violence in south Chicago. not that it matters but he does not look black to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,109 Posted January 14, 2016 why isnt this on nj.com or north jersey? or atleast i didnt see it anywhere. It could be there, I saw it on another website. However, I'd be surprised if it werent' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,109 Posted January 14, 2016 not that it matters but he does not look black to me. He is not black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,914 Posted January 14, 2016 It's on NJ.com now. Front page. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted January 14, 2016 It's on NJ.com now. Front page. Checked and it's not. Always a good idea when referring to a web site to include the URL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted January 14, 2016 Words cannot describe the thoughts going through my head. Newark, Jersey City, Elizabeth, Trenton, Paterson, Camden lost forever and spreading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,882 Posted January 14, 2016 not that it matters but he does not look black to me. My bad - didn't watch the whole video..... http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2016/01/after_brutal_beating_caught_on_video_newark_plans.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,914 Posted January 14, 2016 Checked and it's not. Always a good idea when referring to a web site to include the URL. It's still there where I am. http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2016/01/after_brutal_beating_caught_on_video_newark_plans.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted January 14, 2016 It's still there where I am. http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2016/01/after_brutal_beating_caught_on_video_newark_plans.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured Thanks. This is why I avoid going into cities whenever possible. Gun or no gun. I don't want anything to do with savages who are accustomed to the concept of dying young. My daughter works in one of the highest-crime cities in NJ and every night it takes me half an hour longer than normal to get to sleep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted January 14, 2016 Doesn't look like there is a lot of brainpower on either side of that mess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted January 14, 2016 How about just staying out of Newark and letting shit sort itself out. it just needs like a wall or something and it will stabilize to somesort of equilibrium. Also, props to the cops for the, "It sucks to be you" advice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Porthole 15 Posted January 15, 2016 No one wonders why he kept going back for more? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MauserCollector 2,052 Posted January 15, 2016 I would say the white guy was drunk or high or mentally unstable. In normal society you walk away and call the police. Instead the animals went into a mob mentality and repeatedly attacked him. Just another reason to allow CCW. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Njbanshee 9 Posted January 15, 2016 The youngest looking person in the group of attackers looked like the most troublesome. The older guys use young kids to do the dirty work. Things will never change in that area. It just needs to be contained. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD2K 115 Posted January 15, 2016 Why I'm so shocked Newark is a dump...why would anyone ever go there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Porthole 15 Posted January 15, 2016 What really surprises me is that there were only 5 comments deleted so far from the NJ.com page. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lambo2936 297 Posted January 15, 2016 I Work in Newark. I Would pay quite a bit of money to be allowed to carry there.I Have to contact the PD and see if there is a way for me to bring my firearm to work with me and carry it on premises when i am on my property. It'll keep spreading until a solution is found. Linden and Elizabeth are right north of where i live and all the shitty people are slowly radiating outwards. The level of crime has been increasing dramatically since i was a kid. I Can't wait to move out of Woodbridge and further south. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxplosive 828 Posted January 15, 2016 Most bad stuff in Newark doesn't make the papers.....they'd have to print an entire paper once a week as a police blotter. Worked there for 20 yrs. and every day was a circus....burglaries, muggings, car-jacking, hold-ups, strong arm robberies, murder, rape, you name it......a daily occurrence. If you are a business or property owner in NJ you can carry on your premises, IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,265 Posted January 16, 2016 So, hypothetical question here. What if this person had a CCW. Would an attack like this warrant the use? Does it matter if they were armed or not? Don't mean to start a shit-storm, just curious. Disparity of force is recognized in most self defense situations. Kicks like that have been recognized in many courts as potentially lethal force. It has the potential to cripple you or kill you, and multiple attackers increases the credibility of the threat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,109 Posted January 17, 2016 What really surprises me is that there were only 5 comments deleted so far from the NJ.com page.'' There were 40 or so comments and j made some of them. I saw them deleting them. It's a very carefully curated set left before they locked it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted January 17, 2016 How about just staying out of Newark and letting shit sort itself out. it just needs like a wall or something and it will stabilize to somesort of equilibrium. That's a great concept until you get a jury duty notice or have to go to one of the federal buildings down there............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites