Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted May 19, 2016 The Toronto Star (also known as the Toronto Red Star) under the corporate banner of Vertical Scope is buy a large number of gun forums. Not putting this forth as a conspiracy theory, at this point it looks like they are only in it for the money. Buy a forum, upgrade it and monetize the heck out of it. Of interest to us specifically, is the forum at New Jersey Hunter. Just thought I'd let you know in case we have any members here who also belong to that forum. The known list consists of: ACR Forum Defensive Carry National Gun Forum The AK Forum Sniper Forums Marlin Owners ForumHandguns and Ammunition Forums6.8 Forums XD Talk Walther Forums Prepper Forums New Jersey Hunter Trap ShootersTaurus Armed Colt Forum FN Forum Florida Concealed Carry Forum M&P Forum M-14 ForumH&K Pro Be careful out there. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,878 Posted May 19, 2016 I knew NJH was being sold... again... meh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted May 19, 2016 Interesting Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Patrick 638 Posted May 19, 2016 Maybe they will buy us and put out some swag Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bighungry618 450 Posted May 19, 2016 Maybe they will buy us and put out some swag Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Lol...Chuckled for real...so yeah congrats on your warning point! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted May 19, 2016 ^^^Yet another reason why CNJFO steadfastly supports and volunteers for kids shooting events all over the state! TAKE A KID SHOOTING! The future of shooting (especially in NJ) depends upon it! http://www.cnjfo.com/news for our latest newsletter! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted May 19, 2016 Up to now, all corporate responses to anti 2A has been to shut us out of the equation, not buying us out of the equation. Conspiracy abound, Backdoor Bloomturd? Or perhaps something else? Time will tell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted May 19, 2016 If there's one thing that big corporations like more than hating guns, it's money. They don't give a crap about morals real or imagined. They would sell their mothers for a favorable 3rd-quarter earnings estimate. They plan to make $$$ from this, and hypocritically laugh all the way to the bank. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted May 19, 2016 Verticalscope.com is doing the same thing. They just bought/took over KimberTalk. They said they have no intentions of tyrannical control. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robot_hell 72 Posted May 19, 2016 I am not worried by the new owners pulling the plug on one, or even several gun forums. If that happens, there are plenty of enterprising souls that will move in and create replacement. It doesn't affect the communities much, comparatively-- they will re-organize under new names. Media businesses looking to monetize know this, and would not willingly cut out that revenue potential. I think that particular concern is a non-issue. I am much more concerned about the implications of subtle censorship. This is much harder to detect unless the members of the community are close enough to have backchannel communication, and since it doesn't overtly push people away, it still preserves revenue. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted May 19, 2016 They probably intend to shut them all down during the next legislative gun ban push in order to prevent organization of push back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schrödinger's cat 87 Posted May 19, 2016 I'm a member on NJH, I don't really go on there much because there are a few trolls that ruin every thread but I'm not worried about it being shut down. If it will be I'm sure everyone will just move over to a new forum. The real loss would be the loss of archives, they own the servers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted May 19, 2016 I'm sure if the offer is right this place would get sold in a heartbeat. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robot_hell 72 Posted May 19, 2016 I'm sure if the offer is right this place would get sold in a heartbeat. Everyone's got a price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 828 Posted May 19, 2016 They probably intend to shut them all down during the next legislative gun ban push in order to prevent organization of push back. Bloomberg funded? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted May 19, 2016 Gunboards sold to them. Can anyone confirm if the premium charge of $1 a month combined with sponsors pays the bills for this site? Vic said there was no choice but to sell gunboards, but they never had any type of premium payment system and relied on mailed in donations and sponsors. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot 358 Posted May 19, 2016 Newspapers are dying so they are making these digital media investments. Not a bad strategy. Roll up all these forums, aggregate your information and posts, mine it to build a consumer marketing profile for you. Or, worst, sell that information to a background screening firm so they can mine that and your other social media footprint for negative information. Big brother indeed. I work with a lot of these firms. It's crazy the amount of information they have on you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveR 42 Posted May 19, 2016 They will probably just redirect you to http://www.bradycampaign.org like http://www.njgunforum.com/ used to. ( Yes, I have made that type before ) It no longer redirects because they never validated their email address on registration. You can use the Wayback Machine to see an example of it. http://web.archive.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirk2022 43 Posted May 19, 2016 Trap shooters confirmed not selling, to debunk this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted May 19, 2016 So you telling me someone needs to start a new NJ hunter forum? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,878 Posted May 19, 2016 I'm sure if the offer is right this place would get sold in a heartbeat. If it was a crazy offer, maybe... Maks does this mostly for the love of the sport. Gunboards sold to them. Can anyone confirm if the premium charge of $1 a month combined with sponsors pays the bills for this site? Vic said there was no choice but to sell gunboards, but they never had any type of premium payment system and relied on mailed in donations and sponsors. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Premium memberships + the vendor sponsors don't come close to paying for it, but Maks takes care of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted May 19, 2016 I doubt any conspiracy as they own many hundreds of boards. This is this what they do. But in any event you never know what the future holds. You can see their portfolio at: http://www.verticalscope.com/ They have been making major acquisitions over the past few years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schrödinger's cat 87 Posted May 19, 2016 So you telling me someone needs to start a new NJ hunter forum? There already is njwoodsandwater.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted May 19, 2016 If it was a crazy offer, maybe... Maks does this mostly for the love of the sport. Premium memberships + the vendor sponsors don't come close to paying for it, but Maks takes care of it. I assume that is not a serious answer. If so do you know a dollar figure for how short membership fees and sponsors is from operating cost? Also is there on percentage figure on paid members? Reason I ask is I would rather pay a couple dollars a month to RMNF and Surplus Rifle Forum than lose them too. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,878 Posted May 19, 2016 I assume that is not a serious answer. If so do you know a dollar figure for how short membership fees and sponsors is from operating cost? Also is there on percentage figure on paid members? Reason I ask is I would rather pay a couple dollars a month to RMNF and Surplus Rifle Forum than lose them too. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk I don't know the exact numbers, but I do recall Maks saying before that we have a lot of traffic on this site and that the premier memberships and vendors do not cover it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted May 19, 2016 How much does it cost to run this forum for a month? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Patrick 638 Posted May 19, 2016 You know what would generate a decent amount of money? T shirts Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted May 20, 2016 I am not worried by the new owners pulling the plug on one, or even several gun forums. If that happens, there are plenty of enterprising souls that will move in and create replacement. It doesn't affect the communities much, comparatively-- they will re-organize under new names. Media businesses looking to monetize know this, and would not willingly cut out that revenue potential. I think that particular concern is a non-issue. I am much more concerned about the implications of subtle censorship. This is much harder to detect unless the members of the community are close enough to have backchannel communication, and since it doesn't overtly push people away, it still preserves revenue. Mostly about money. Partly about the mindset behind the shuttered "Fairness Doctrine"... where speech of the right is targeted for regulation. Clinton and Pelosi were caught on a hot mic talking about getting the Fairness Doctrine going in order to take control of conservative talk radio and Fox News. Though.. looking at Fox News these days.... it appears they got in there somehow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted May 20, 2016 How much does it cost to run this forum for a month?I don't know about this forum or GB, but another popular forum I am a member of the owner confirmed costs less than $600/yr to operate and of course many man hours. According to a Linked Sponsor's post on GB they are charged $200/yr. There are 22 linked Sponsors and there are other lower level Sponsors without links as well. Linked Sponsors alone = $4,400/yr in revenue. 3 Sponsors posted VS sent them invoices for $1,200/yr, but then after protesting lowered the price to the current $200/yr. However takeover isn't official yet. The most expensive private server hosting package for V-Bullentin Forums I found was $2,040/yr the most expensive shared hosting package for V-Bullentin Forums I found was $600/yr. I am sure there are other costs, but there is also other ad revenue for large indexed sites, such as click through revenue. I remember reading about a guy who makes millions from click through revenue alone by creating landing pages of common mispellings of popular websites. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites