obracer12 1 Posted September 12, 2016 My wife is finally applying for her FID - It exempts family members as references, but does this include spouses?Seems like a simple question however I have gotten yes and no from separate LEOs.Anyone able to help me out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveR 42 Posted September 12, 2016 Personally I'd so no, but just check with the PD you are applying to, its their call. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lambo2936 297 Posted September 12, 2016 Personally I'd so no, but just check with the PD you are applying to, its their call. Same here.. Call the PD and ask them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted September 12, 2016 When is a spouse not a family member? ETA: No. There is no punchline. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted September 12, 2016 Although this doesn't address the FPID directly, The NJ State Ethics Commission defines a relative as: http://www.state.nj.us/ethics/statutes/guide/famcode.html d. As used in this section, "relative" means an individual's spouse or the individual's or spouse's parent, child, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, niece, nephew, grandparent, grandchild, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, stepparent, stepchild, stepbrother, stepsister, half brother or half sister, whether the relative is related to the individual or the individual's spouse by blood, marriage or adoption. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexTheSane 236 Posted September 12, 2016 To play devil's advocate the form states "Names, Addresses and Telephone Numbers of two reputable persons who are presently acquainted with the applicant, other than relatives:" Is a spouse a relative? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leadunderpressure 52 Posted September 12, 2016 I can tell you for sure that your parents in law will get rejected as references as being too close to you familially. I would say spouse is closer and would likewise be rejected. Call your PD and put the question to them 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted September 12, 2016 Is a spouse a relative? Are you serious? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted September 12, 2016 Spouse is a relative. Cannot recall specific one, but there are lot of Govt forms where they ask to identify the person "relation", options being Spouse, Son/Daughter, Parent etc. Unless, the LEO who is responsible for processing the application says otherwise. Ask ask that specific individual, just not any LEO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexTheSane 236 Posted September 12, 2016 Are you serious? Yes, I'm serious. Depending on the definition of relative. Can you claim your spouse as a dependent? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InFamous 311 Posted September 12, 2016 My question would honestly be...does your wife really not know two people NOT including her spouse to be references that this option is even being entertained? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuRrEaLNJ 294 Posted September 12, 2016 my wife used one of my pro2a frends that weve hung out with a shitload. he met my wife within a few weeks of us dating, and a friend of hers. ive used freinds, bossed, shooting buddies etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted September 12, 2016 This can be a real issue. I know someone with lots of friends from school are very liberal and even though they like and respect the person they will not be references for anything 2A related. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cereza 106 Posted September 12, 2016 This can be a real issue. I know someone with lots of friends from school are very liberal and even though they like and respect the person they will not be references for anything 2A related. Exactly. This is the issue I have. If I needed references for a job I'd have my pick, but for firearms applications? I can count those on one hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted September 12, 2016 To play devil's advocate the form states "Names, Addresses and Telephone Numbers of two reputable persons who are presently acquainted with the applicant, other than relatives:" Is a spouse a relative? Only if you married your cousin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirk2022 43 Posted September 12, 2016 No cant be used as A reference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted September 12, 2016 Exactly. This is the issue I have. If I needed references for a job I'd have my pick, but for firearms applications? I can count those on one hand. Your issue is not uncommon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InFamous 311 Posted September 12, 2016 I guess I'm lucky then. I have more people I can use for firearms references then all my fingers and toes. I struggle to decide who would be the most honored being selected then I do with who will give me a reference. Kinda kidding. I pick who I know will fill it out and either drop it off at the PD the next day or hand to me to bring to the PD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSD1026 48 Posted September 12, 2016 I would not use a spouse as a reference. Full stop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJRulz 82 Posted September 12, 2016 Has anyone used the same reference more than once? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted September 12, 2016 Your wife can only take away your guns, they don't trust her enough to give them to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted September 12, 2016 Has anyone used the same reference more than once? Always use the same 2. its a firearms trio of very impatient individuals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,052 Posted September 12, 2016 Spouse of course is a relative. So are in-laws. Not only can you use same references I recommend you use same references. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted September 13, 2016 I would not use a spouse as a reference. Full stop. "What, he's applying for more permits? He's got enough guns already" 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted September 13, 2016 Yes, I'm serious. Depending on the definition of relative. Can you claim your spouse as a dependent? Christ on a crutch. Chinese water torture. Don't you know three f-ing people who a reasonable person in whatever context would not refer to as your "family" or relative? Is it worth the risk of re-doing the paperwork to prove the point to a bureaucrat that your wife is really and truly not related to you? I suggest you head over to the current discussion on the meaning of "one gun per month." I'm sure there's an online tool you can find. Enter the relationship, it tells you if that person is a relative. I used it. I was surprised to see my son is actually related to me. That's not what the mailman said. Could have knocked me over with a feather. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,922 Posted September 13, 2016 Has anyone used the same reference more than once?Many times. They don't even get called any more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slab Sides 20 Posted September 13, 2016 Has anyone used the same reference more than once?I keep unsigned, undated copies of pistol permit aps. Same exact info everytime. To the op, why risk a lengthy delay? You may get one LEO that oks the app, then the Chief rejects it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted September 13, 2016 Has anyone used the same reference more than once? Yes, to the point that the PD has on occasion not even bothered contacting them. Heck half of them say the same thing I put in all of mine "I have known <insert person's name> since <insert year>. I have no knowledge of any reason they should be denied ownership of a firearm." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekend_junkie 129 Posted September 14, 2016 Christ on a crutch. Chinese water torture. Don't you know three f-ing people who a reasonable person in whatever context would not refer to as your "family" or relative? Is it worth the risk of re-doing the paperwork to prove the point to a bureaucrat that your wife is really and truly not related to you? I suggest you head over to the current discussion on the meaning of "one gun per month." I'm sure there's an online tool you can find. Enter the relationship, it tells you if that person is a relative. I used it. I was surprised to see my son is actually related to me. That's not what the mailman said. Could have knocked me over with a feather. Read the definition again. Your wife's child is still your relative, mailmen aside. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB24 37 Posted October 5, 2016 so you asked several LEO's and got different answers. what makes you think you can get an answer on a forum that you can go with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites