vladtepes 1,060 Posted December 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, BobA said: They follow @Zeke's model of typos? I never knew he was so worldly. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted December 9, 2018 51 minutes ago, vladtepes said: what I more expect to happen.. at least once or twice.. just so they can say they are doing something.. is to send a couple of under covers to a range for several hours.. one on the range.. one in the parking lot.. see who fires off more than 10 rounds without a change.. record the plates and follow up down the road.. it would cost very little to do this.. and then could come out and say how they were able to catch these evil illegal magazines keeping you "safer" about the gun and mag babysitting... the reason I really don't like this.. (and its OK for them to do whatever they like they are a private business).. but the reason I really dislike this is it sets the tone for the whole.. "if you really just want your guns for sporting purposes.. you can have them but you have to keep them at this "authorized" facility except when you are engaged in an approved activity".. thats my real problem with this place.. everyone make sure you pop off 11 in a row. 10 in the mag, 1 in the chamber. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted December 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, sota said: everyone make sure you pop off 11 in a row. 10 in the mag, 1 in the chamber. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted December 9, 2018 10 hours ago, Maksim said: Over the past few weeks we have seen an increase in the amounts of new shooters visiting the forum, asking questions in anticipation of the December 10th deadline. On one hand, I don't believe when it comes to gun safety and legality there are stupid questions... such as the topic here... The new gun law and transporting magazines started by @FreeNJ, a new forum member. And yes... without a doubt... hundreds of thousands of NJ gun owners are going to be criminals on Monday.... But... are our own 2A "leaders" for the lack of a better word in NJ going a bit overboard with fear mongering? We talked about this in chat today... and if you have not, you should check out the NJGF Chat. One thing I mentioned was the daily messages from ANJRPC counting down the days until the mag ban... yes, I know.. Monday... do we need a daily message discussing it and of course a daily plug for a business that will hold those mags for you for a fee per magazine? (after 12 months of which you are better off just buying new mags). Again, don't have too many issues. And then I went on facebook and found this gem... My response to that is... So what do you think? Overboard? Or are the black helicopters going door to door for Christmas? (Too late for Chanukah, tomorrow is the last day). (Btw.. just don't blame the mag ban on the Jews... or Putin... I beg of you.) the one you found from mr nappen is what I was referencing in my thread in the 1a. it's one of over a dozen that he's got spread around over there on farcebook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted December 9, 2018 This just affirms my undeniable distaste for Nappan. I find him to be a little more than a fear mongerer who capitalizes on making people feel extremely scared so he can. Inform them at a small cost. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted December 9, 2018 below reapproarited from someone on farcebook. Six Great Reasons why the Murphy Mag Ban will NEVER be Enforced and Why You Have Nothing to Worry About. 1) NJ respects and honors 2A rights. 2) NJ has a long history of never abusing gun owners. 3) NJ does not have a computerized list of registered gun owners & their registered handguns. 4) NJ's fair and balanced news media would not tolerate it. 5) NJ's totally Democrat controlled government would oppose it and take legislative steps to stop it. 6) NJ law enforcement would rather lose their jobs & pensions, than obey orders and enforce the law. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted December 9, 2018 I'm impressed. Page two and we pretty much stayed on topic. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said: below reapproarited from someone on farcebook. Six Great Reasons why the Murphy Mag Ban will NEVER be Enforced and Why You Have Nothing to Worry About. 1) NJ respects and honors 2A rights. 2) NJ has a long history of never abusing gun owners. 3) NJ does not have a computerized list of registered gun owners & their registered handguns. 4) NJ's fair and balanced news media would not tolerate it. 5) NJ's totally Democrat controlled government would oppose it and take legislative steps to stop it. 6) NJ law enforcement would rather lose their jobs & pensions, than obey orders and enforce the law. More fear mongering..... sell your stuff....just think how less stressful your life will be Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reloaderguy 30 Posted December 9, 2018 12 hours ago, Maksim said: Duh, he is the main attorney for NJ under US Law Shield. Too bad they don't find someone more capable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, reloaderguy said: Too bad they don't find someone more capable. He might be plenty capable. He just needs to use his powers for niceness instead of evil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gunlawyernj 116 Posted December 9, 2018 yes we are, and the fear mongering is out of control. yes, people do face prosecution if they violate the new law. Much like burglary, robbery or drug dealing. If you are caught breaking the law, you may/will be prosecuted. I have seen posts like the one in the forum of people saying the act of owning a firearm capable of accepting a plus ten round mag may be the subject of mass raids. I have seen posts of people saying i face 114 years in jail and 900k in fines. What i find sad, is one person I know has knowledge of what is required for a search warrant and still stokes the fires of fear regarding mass raids and the other has a fundamental misunderstanding of sentencing law in NJ and has convinced dozens of others that they too face those types of consequences. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted December 9, 2018 13 hours ago, BobA said: So I guess everyone with a Beretta 92, Sig 226, or any other pistol with an OEM 16+ round mag has already been contacted under the old 15 round limit? Funny, I never heard anything about that. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted December 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, JasonSeidman said: yes we are, and the fear mongering is out of control. yes, people do face prosecution if they violate the new law. Much like burglary, robbery or drug dealing. If you are caught breaking the law, you may/will be prosecuted. I have seen posts like the one in the forum of people saying the act of owning a firearm capable of accepting a plus ten round mag may be the subject of mass raids. I have seen posts of people saying i face 114 years in jail and 900k in fines. What i find sad, is one person I know has knowledge of what is required for a search warrant and still stokes the fires of fear regarding mass raids and the other has a fundamental misunderstanding of sentencing law in NJ and has convinced dozens of others that they too face those types of consequences. Rise above and think.. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 827 Posted December 9, 2018 This is just stupid. I've had guns for years that were capable of accepting mags of greater than 15rds and nobody ever came knocking. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zeke said: Rise above and think.. Yup. Or think and rise above. Hey, I think we just wrote a tee shirt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted December 9, 2018 Chicken Little is alive and well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted December 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, BobA said: Yup. Or think and rise above. Hey, I think we just wrote a tee shirt. You’re killing me smalls 4 minutes ago, diamondd817 said: This is just stupid. I've had guns for years that were capable of accepting mags of greater than 15rds and nobody ever came knocking. Btw... wasn’t the 7th jus sayen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 827 Posted December 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Zeke said: You’re killing me smalls Btw... wasn’t the 7th jus sayen Yeah. I forgot to take Hanukkah into account. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gunlawyernj 116 Posted December 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Zeke said: Rise above and think.. Problem is people think what he says is gospel and the only opinion that counts. I’ve had mine written off several times despite my experience, only to have some one say nappen says x, y, or z and everyone immediately believe it, even when wrong. We can lead them to water... 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted December 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, JasonSeidman said: Problem is people think what he says is gospel and the only opinion that counts. I’ve had mine written off several times despite my experience, only to have some one say nappen says x, y, or z and everyone immediately believe it, even when wrong. We can lead them to water... Can’t fix stupid Can fix weak, sorta Can’t fix yellow 17 minutes ago, diamondd817 said: Yeah. I forgot to take Hanukkah into account. Understood Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted December 9, 2018 19 minutes ago, JasonSeidman said: Problem is people think what he says is gospel and the only opinion that counts. I’ve had mine written off several times despite my experience, only to have some one say nappen says x, y, or z and everyone immediately believe it, even when wrong. We can lead them to water... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted December 9, 2018 58 minutes ago, diamondd817 said: This is just stupid. I've had guns for years that were capable of accepting mags of greater than 15rds and nobody ever came knocking. Ahhh, but THIS time it will be different.... according to some here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, JasonSeidman said: Problem is people think what he says is gospel and the only opinion that counts. I’ve had mine written off several times despite my experience, only to have some one say nappen says x, y, or z and everyone immediately believe it, even when wrong. We can lead them to water... My friend is county prosecutor.. 2a guy straight out told me he sucks.. but im not big into trashing people.. that’s “ being a douche” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 827 Posted December 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, Sniper22 said: Ahhh, but THIS time it will be different.... according to some here. Stupid. The Glock 19, 26, 17, 34, can accept 33rd mags. The Glock 27, 23, 22, 35 can accept 24rd mags. The Beretta 92 can accept 20rd mags. The Sig 226....etc, etc, etc. And this was way before any 10rd limit. You can get 15rd mags for 1911's. They would pretty much have to go after every owned pistol in NJ. Stupid. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,325 Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, JasonSeidman said: yes we are, and the fear mongering is out of control. yes, people do face prosecution if they violate the new law. Much like burglary, robbery or drug dealing. If you are caught breaking the law, you may/will be prosecuted. I have seen posts like the one in the forum of people saying the act of owning a firearm capable of accepting a plus ten round mag may be the subject of mass raids. I have seen posts of people saying i face 114 years in jail and 900k in fines. What i find sad, is one person I know has knowledge of what is required for a search warrant and still stokes the fires of fear regarding mass raids and the other has a fundamental misunderstanding of sentencing law in NJ and has convinced dozens of others that they too face those types of consequences. You practice criminal law in NJ. Perhaps we should carry your card instead of Nappen's. Do you handle many gun cases? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gunlawyernj 116 Posted December 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, JohnnyB said: You practice criminal law in NJ. Perhaps we should carry your card instead of Nappen's. Do you handle many gun cases? Yes I do. I handle most if not all of my firms firearm cases. Feel free to keep me in your phone but let’s hope you never, ever, need to call. 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 827 Posted December 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, JasonSeidman said: Yes I do. I handle most if not all of my firms firearm cases. Feel free to keep me in your phone but let’s hope you never, ever, need to call. At least you live in NJ, whereas our beloved Nappen and Bach live in New Hampshire. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted December 10, 2018 33 minutes ago, diamondd817 said: Stupid. The Glock 19, 26, 17, 34, can accept 33rd mags. The Glock 27, 23, 22, 35 can accept 24rd mags. The Beretta 92 can accept 20rd mags. The Sig 226....etc, etc, etc. And this was way before any 10rd limit. You can get 15rd mags for 1911's. They would pretty much have to go after every owned pistol in NJ. Stupid. Fear is the mind killer 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobA 1,235 Posted December 10, 2018 33 minutes ago, JasonSeidman said: Yes I do. I handle most if not all of my firms firearm cases. Feel free to keep me in your phone but let’s hope you never, ever, need to call. Didn’t see your number on your site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kawi7 52 Posted December 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, BobA said: Didn’t see your number on your site. He added it in the known lawyers section 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites