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I work from home, so if I didn't have an elderly parent in NJ, I'd be gone already - even if it was just to hop over the border into friendlier, less expensive Pennsylvania. The gun issue, though certainly important, is merely one tiny slice of everything that's wrong with the state - a trend toward increasing gov't control and decreasing individual freedom cuts across MANY issues. The cost, bureaucracy and aggravation that results from that trend is just not worth the "benefits" of living here.

As the euphoria of the 2016 presidential elections is wearing off, another feeling is starting to creep in on gun owners throughout our state. That feeling is one of great concern for the few gun rights we currently enjoy. As Governor Christie's term is coming to an end, gun owners have to start accepting that in the near future, the few gun rights we currently enjoy are going to come under almost certain attack from politicians in the state. Don't get me wrong, while Governor Christie has done nothing to improve gun rights in the state, at the very least he prevented more bad legislation from taking effect. As the thought of a Liberal Democratic Governor is an utmost certainty, Democrats are going to have free reign over screwing over further restricting gun rights and enacting harsh legislations that will hamper the 2nd Amendment. But wait... there is a chance, there are two Republicans running in this race, you say. Let's be realistic. First, over the last 100 years, only once has the incumbent party kept the Governor's office for a third term, after a Governor termed out. That occurred in 1962 when Democrat Richard Hughes won office after two terms of fellow Democrat Robert Meyner. Secondly, does anyone in their right minds think that a Republican can win after the "BridgeGate" Scandal and Governor Christie's close association to President Trump? In either case, neither of the Republican candidates have the financial or the political capital to compete with Phil Murphy. (who is having ex VP Joe Biden fly in for a campaign visit) Short of a miracle, NJ residents better get used to the idea of Governor Phil Murphy. So What Does A Governor Murphy Mean For Gun Owners? The idea of a Governor Murphy should frighten any gun owner in the state, wishing and willing to give anything to have a "moderate" Sweeney over Liberal Murphy. To get an idea of the gun agenda, we take a look at what Phil Murphy has on his website, Murphy4NJ.com, The website further goes to point out the legislation that would prevent persons on the various government watch lists from being able to purchase a firearm. While this is the most "sensible" legislation, it failed for one key reason, there was ZERO due process for person's on those watch lists. People on the no fly lists, such as Senator Ted Kennedy, Congressman John Lewis, and CNN reporter Drew Griffin would not be allowed to purchase firearms. Beyond that, it would mean Phil Murphy would sign legislation that would confiscate guns from people accused of non-violent domestic issues and limits on the firearms that you may own, including lower magazine limits To take the ridiculous to the next level, Phil Murphy proposes the following, Required Gun Safety Training As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. These good intentions seem "sensible" to the common resident of New Jersey, but they are surely hell for any gun owner. Look, I am ALL FOR gun owners having safety training and technological improvements that would be helpful for those looking for it, HOWEVER, since when can the government restrict a God given right? Are people required to take a public speaking class before talking to anyone? Perhaps they should be, but just like free speech, and UNLIKE driving, the right to keep and bear arms.... is a right, and not a privilege. Are gun owners who do not take the "mandated gun safety training" to be considered "un-trustworthy"? If so, prior to the 1938 Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons in Nazi Germany, Jews were disarmed by the police on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'" On that basis, who is to control the educational requirements? Who sets the agenda? Do we have the same educational requirements before we go buy a bottle of Vodka or a kitchen knife? Are gun owners who do not complete this education requirement going to be stripped of their guns and GUN RIGHTS? More importantly, who is going to pay for this training? As much as I am all for gun owners taking gun training classes, I do not see anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights anything related to being "educated" before practicing a right. Smart Guns The problem here is what is not told. The NJ Smart Gun laws would REQUIRE every gun sold in NJ to be a "smart gun" once one is commercially available. Yep.... so unless they repeal the existing law, this should be a non starter for ANYONE. Beyond that, do we require every grocery stores to carry certain items? Why should gun store owners and operators be TOLD what they HAVE TO offer. Gun Sales Tax How do you make sure you keep poor people poor? You keep on taxing them. One thing that I have learned over the last 9 years with NJ Gun Forums is that gun owners in this state comes from all demographic groups. For every affluent gun owner, there are 20 people who love shooting but have to scrape up every cent they can save in order to fund their new gun purchase. Any firearms sales tax is only going to hurt gun buyers, and more importantly will hurt the vendors in the state. The ONLY people who will be winning are the gun dealers in PA and Delware who will be more than happy to sell their guns to NJ gun buyers. Required NICS and Gun Registration Hold on there... didn't the municipality and the state police just do the extensive background check when they issued that FID and those brand spanking new pistol permits? I think it is a good idea to do a NICS check anyway, but it is yet annother financial burden and expense. There is a $15 nics charge in NJ, because NJ gets its grubby paws on it, rather than the federal NICS system used in most of Free America. Are NICS checks going to be free for everyone in NJ? Gun Registration? The state police and the municipality already have those records every time a pistol permit gets sent in. But in any case... you know who also had mandatory gun registrations? Hitler, Stalin and Mao all enacted gun registration and subsequent gun confiscation before they murdered millions of political dissidents. (all under good intentions of course). Ban on 50 Caliber Rifles Seriously? Again? Can any politician give a realistic reason to ban all 50 caliber rifles? When was the last time that a criminal committed a crime in NJ with a 50 caliber... flintlock, 50 Beowolf, 500 Nitro Express or muzzle loader.... those are after all more likely to be in someone's gun collection than a $5k or more expensive Barrett 50 BMG. Heck, why not go after 600/700 Nitro Express, 500 S&W, 50 Action Express too. The biggest risk to airplanes (the commonly cited 2010 case) is not a guy with a 50 caliber rifle, but rather the broken infrastructure all around. Bottom Line "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - John Acton A democrat in the governor's office and a democrat controlled legislature is grim news for New Jersey and anyone concerned with gun rights. What's different this time is that it is a top item for Democrats eager to do anything to act out against President Trump. There are many gun rights advocates in the state who will say we have to rise up and fight. Unfortunately I don't think it will make any difference this time for the simple facts that the powers that be both do not understand gun issues, nor CARE about your rights. For those that can leave, it may be opportune to do as @Pizza Bob says in every post "adios." For everyone else left behind, hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride. -Maks For further reading and discussion on this topic I recommend, While we typically do not have political topics out in general discussion, @67gtonut has set up a special section dedicated to the 2017 NJ Gubernatorial Race, We look forward to seeing you there. https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/forum/189-new-jersey-gubernatorial-election-2017/

I can't really comment too much on this due to the nature of my position, but I think NJ residents should be aware of how the new Bail Reform thing is working out. "Nobody is afraid to commit crimes" http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Bail-Reform-New-Jersey-Criminals-Streets-Law-Jail-Investigation-422965474.html

The only thing you said that we all can get behind. Good bye

I wish I could find the old post here by the guy who called his local town to see if there was a local ordinance preventing him from building a shooting range in his back yard. There wasn't...until they received his phone call and decided to pass one. Lets' stop badgering the new anti-gun PA AG who already made a campaign promise to cancel these reciprocity agreements. I want him to forget about us.

I am not into politics.... never was, and still only dabble at the edge. But from what I am seeing for our future in this corrupt state, I want out. As soon as I can cut ties with NJ, the house will go up for sale. And it has much more than gun laws to do with it.... I cannot fathom why in order to own a nice home in NJ, it must include $1000/mo or more in Property taxes. When other states can do it for 75% less. This alone could be the reason for leaving.....

From Asbury, I think you're roughly: 5-10 min to the Clinton WMA, Clinton via 78 (off 173) - state run, outdoor only, must have NJ hunting license, only good for certain firearms --- ummm, essentially "free" I think with the hunting license? (Others will correct me if I'm wrong) 20 min to Phillipsburg Pistol & Rifle via 22W - small, private, not fancy but affordable 20 min via 78W to Heritage Guild, Easton - large, commercial, pricey 25 min via 78E to 31S to Tactical Training Center, Flemington - large, commercial, pricey And I can't recall the name, but there's some trapshooting club in Bethlehem Township, south of 78 at exit 7, maybe 10 min from you... "Farmer's something or another?" I believe it's open to the public. There's also several other places a bit deeper into PA like Easton Fish and Game Association, which I hear is very affordable... Ontelaunee, also very affordable... I'm sure there's others I don't even know about or aren't thinking of at the moment. Lots of options... especially compared to other parts of the state.

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Recently ran across this site, https://haveibeenpwned.com In light of all of the big national data breeches, helpful to know if your email appeared on any of the lists, and if so, what other information is tied in.

The last time the Navy got the Iowas out of mothballs during the Reagan 80's they had to find a Firing Officer to command the 3 gun turrets, so they made use of a little known clause in fine print on discharge papers and got a 50+ year old guy pressed into service (conscripted) so he could train his replacement! Those 16" .50 caliber rifles can fire a 2,800 pound HE shell almost 30 miles. By varying the amount of powder bags and rifle angle, three salvos could be fired at a target in such a way as to have 27 shells all land in approx. a football field AT THE SAME TIME!

Well one thing I'll add to this, having gone to Trenton for hearings a couple of years ago - when this next round starts PLEASE go but dress in a suit and tie or at least business casual attire. Don't go wearing gun related hats and shirts and the likes, it only plays into their narrative that we are gun nuts. Let them see us as normal everyday hard working citizens. While it is hard to change their minds based on facts we need to get them to see the error in their ways of wanting to ban things. I like this analogy, it makes little sense to require hybrid cars to double their gas mileage to improve the fuel economy of tractor trailers - the same applies to gun regulations. Taking away larger magazines or restricting the rights of those that already obey gun laws does nothing to reduce CRIMINAL gun usage. The solution is to enforce the laws already on the books and to stop the plea bargains they give where they don't press the gun charges on criminals.

Well said! My wife and I are in a similar situation. Even if we don't move right away, we're planning to purchase a property in another state, so I'll at least have a place to keep my stuff when it becomes illegal here in NJ.

So the question and interpretive statement were worded in such a way as to conceal the true nature of the measure? Made it sound like a good thing: "yeah we can deny bail to someone really dangerous!" when in reality it meant "well in all but the most severe cases we're just going to let everyone walk free".

PEC bitches!

Maksim's post is a well reasoned and constructed argument, proceeding from a position of freedom, historical perspective, and common sense. Phil Murphy and the rest of the progressive Democrat NJ government do not occupy the same logical space. They proceed from the assumption that they know what's best for us, the rest of us don't, and therefore it's incumbent on them to place us in an ever tightening legal straitjacket until they accomplish their ultimate objective: confiscation. My wife and I have waited together for over 42 years for something to change for the better. It hasn't. It's getting worse. And the demographics in this state offer no reasonable hope that it will get better. The two of us are out of time. So we already have one foot out the door.

I meant when was it passed/legislation. =) Thanks for your perspective, would not even think about it.

Keep in mind, the general liquidition plan is.... first raise the prices some and offer a small discount. (while it is still news and people come in looking for a deal). Once the big discounts come.... they come quick and sharp to get rid of inventory before final days.... so if they are 40% off now, would go now while there is still good stuff to be had.

Sure can! just have to keep it on a leash. Just don't bring your .410 handgun and shoot it again (like you did last time you came) if your planning on being my guest!

unbelieveable. This state SUCKS on so many levels!

Yeah give Josh Shapiro's office a call and ask if you are covered by exploiting a loophole in his state's reciprocity laws and then when they change the reciprocity agreement with NH to honor only state resident permits come back here and bitch about how shitty PA is. Don't forget to also ask about Texas while you are at it.

I thought I was clear in my post above about why we don't contact certain people and ask certain questions. Example: Target has a $2,000.00 laptop on clearance for $1.00. A store shows 1 in stock, you call the store and ask the clerk to make sure the price is good and they have it.........You just lost it since you brought the mistake to their attention! Same effing thing here......... You have something good, then you bring it to the attention of someone who has the ability to take it away you just lost it! Eventually. you learn to keep your mouth shut!

My favorite saying--cause it's true.

Awesome grips on that.

They should get Glocks or M&Ps in 40S&W. They are for sale everywhere.

Checked with my Trooper friend. He didn't know the brands (thanks HE) but said they were having failures to extract with service and practice ammo. Practice ammo is brass case. He never had any problems with his issue gun but said there was a lot of failures to extract on the range with other guns. He's been issued a Glock 19. Runs fine with the same ammo. Everybody else's does too Sounds like a gun issue to me.

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With all due respect sir. When people are not sure of thing or don't know something, they ask questions. That's the reason forums are formed. If you know the answers, help out. If you don't or don't have anything helpful to say towards the subject STFU ! I joined this forums to learn more about firearm and the laws but I think I'm gonna quit coming here because of smart asses like you !!!

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That's right, the old extractor still has the issue. As far as ammo, AG policy states basically that training ammo has to be similar to duty ammo. We carry Fed 180gr HST. Our training ammo is Am Eagle 180 TMJ. When we carried Speer GD our training ammo was Speer Lawman FMJ. I know NBPD uses the same Duty and practice ammo that we do. I'm not sure exactly what NJSP uses for duty and training but I'm sure it's a similar pairing. Edit: NJSP duty ammo is Speer 124gr GDHP. Training ammo is Speer Lawman FMJ equivalent.

NO NO NO! The PA AG is a very busy man with his anti gun agenda.! PLEASE do not turn his attention this way! It would be very bad for us! Call Scott Bach at NJRPC, (Gun For Hire). He did a radio show on this subject. I carry in PA often with my NH non res CCW. You are fine.

I don't think so. The bad guy had already broken through one door. If the victim hadn't had his bedroom door locked no doubt the BG would have been on top of him before he could do anything. That locked bedroom door is the only reason the victim wasn't brutally beaten. The victim didnt know if it was one BG or several. He made his presence known to whoever broke down his front door. How did the intruder(s) respond? By starting to break down the bedroom door. That door was most likely not as durable as the entrance door. Shooting through a door is generally not a good idea. I can't say the guy was totally wrong here. The fact that one door was already broken down and the BG was in the process of breaking down an interior door has a lot of bearing here. Where was the teacher supposed to retreat to? He was on the 3rd floor. He was reasonably in fear of his life or serious bodily harm AFAIC. I can't see a prosecutor in NJ trying to pursue this.

After the fiasco with the s&w 99, my knee jerk reaction is to wonder how far njsp procurement's head is up their ass this time.

The statutes themselves are a good source of information: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.061.006.000..HTM 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license. (b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to: (15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided: ........ http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.061.009.000..HTM 6109. Licenses. (k) Reciprocity.-- (1) The Attorney General shall have the power and duty to enter into reciprocity agreements with other states providing for the mutual recognition of a license to carry a firearm issued by the Commonwealth and a license or permit to carry a firearm issued by the other state. To carry out this duty, the Attorney General is authorized to negotiate reciprocity agreements and grant recognition of a license or permit to carry a firearm issued by another state. (2) The Attorney General shall report to the General Assembly within 180 days of the effective date of this paragraph and annually thereafter concerning the agreements which have been consummated under this subsection. https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/Media_and_Resources/Firearm_Reciprocity_Agreements/ Firearm Reciprocity Agreements In 1995, the Pennsylvania General Assembly gave the Attorney General the authority to enter into reciprocity agreements with other states. The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania currently has formal written reciprocity agreements with 18 states that recognize a valid license to carry firearms issued by Pennsylvania. Conversely, Pennsylvania recognizes valid firearm carry licenses/permits from those states. In addition to the 18 formal agreements, other forms of reciprocity are applicable. Categories of Firearms Reciprocity Under Pennsylvania law, there are six categories of firearms reciprocity status. Category 1: States that have entered into written reciprocity agreements with Pennsylvania. (Title 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 6109(k)) The following states have entered into formal written reciprocity agreements with Pennsylvania under section 6109(k) of the Uniform Firearms Act. These agreements provide for reciprocal recognition of valid licenses/permits issued by both states. A list of these states and links to their firearms laws is provided below, along with the text of the agreements: New Hampshire Read the Pennsylvania Firearm Reciprocity Agreement with New Hampshire https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/MainSite/Content/Criminal/FirearmsReciprocity/Signed_NH_Agreement.pdf 1. The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will recognize valid New Hampshire permits to carry concealed firearms by valid permit holders while said permit holders are present in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Nowhere does the agreement say that you have to be a resident of NH.

Don't use polymer tips for precision loads. Use 75 grain SMK heck I've even had good result Prvi 75 BTHP. I've tried all the out of an 18" Rainier arms match .223 wylde and the non polymer tipped bullets performed best. I've been using 40 grain Amax bullets in 5.7x28 and I find them to not hold the best accuracy in that platform either.

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Looks like a tremendous movie... I saw her at yankee stadium with Rex a couple of years ago. Arod was tasked to give her an award and her was terrified of Rex. Dogs are great judges of character.

Lots to talk about lol but I"ll stick to one issue. If you work outside use sunscreen protection! I was mostly outside for 35 yrs and contrary to youthful exuberence we are not invincible. I thought I was but have recently, past 5 yrs or so, been routinely cut up, sliced,burned, frozen.....currently have a dozen stitches in my neck, again...melanoma, basil/ squamus cell, AK, have and had all. All on neck and face. Fortunatly I never worked with my shirt off so not by design I'm good there. Keep some sunscreen in your truck, car even your toolbox lol, and use it. It can take many yrs for skin cancer to develop, that peeling burn you got last July can come back to haunt you 10-30 yrs later. Next, blood pressure. Watch and maintain, get meds if needed, they changed my life no more chronic headaches. Thats all for today.

It's highly personal, do you currently have anything that will work? I started running what I had, which was a 14.5" middy build with an aimpoint. I shot matches up to 300 yards with it and didn't feel held back by it much at all. After a year was under my belt, I knew what I wanted and built something that suited my desires. I would just shoot what you have an keep your eyes and ears open at matches and then you can really feel what you want. Also what division do you want to shoot?

Im one of those with expensive 3gun rifles, and mostly it doesn't matter, specially in NJ and when you are starting out. Have a semi-auto rifle that will hold 2-3 MOA at 100 yards, preferably with a free floated handguard so when you rest it on things you don't shift to far off your zero. Everything else it is nice to have, but you will figure out what you want later as rifles tend to be a personal thing. If you want a scope pick up one of the cheaper 1-6 Vortex scopes. Comps are good to have, but people differ on what is good, a $40 Miculek comp will go a long way. Good triggers also matter but again .. a very personal choice, shoot whatever you have until you learn what you like.

NJ2AS was born here, outgrew the grassroots movement, and became a very strong advocate for our rights in NJ. There used to be a section for NJ2AS before they split off to it's own website, etc. CNJFO is here as well - they're fighting the good fight. ANJRPC - too big to come here and do they really fight for us? SAF - ?

Kind of ironic when you consider that NJ2AS was practically born here....

Zeke, I'm here. I check some of these boards every day. Often giving answers that make you THINK. http://www.cnjfo.com

First, leaving it on your purse is your own fault. Second, why would you get stopped and searched? Are we living in Berlin in 1938?

Nice bull terrier trenton shooter, he's got great coloring! I really like how the brown outlines the black. Ray Ray you do realize that you LIKED trenton shooters bull terrier which is a PIT BULL

Sorry, totally disagree. You have it exactly backwards. He is a businessman who happens to have taken it upon himself to advance the cause of 2A rights in NJ. He has done and is doing more than any other single person to advance 2A rights in this state, which should be appreciated. Have the owners of any other ranges done anywhere near as much? That's not a knock on them, as they aren't obligated to, but we should at least give credit where credit is due. The fact that he runs a range and training programs and has a popular podcast in no way obligates him to disclose private aspects of his own life, including his ability to get a permit. Plus, how would that knowledge help any of us? Do you think he has some secret formula that the rest of us could use if only he discloses it? If he got his permit through personal connections or influence, good for him. Why would he want to discuss it and jeapordize that. Sometimes the lack of appreciation by the armchair warriors on this forum is astounding -- from NJ2AS, to ANJRPC to GFH.

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Humm what's in those Mason jars??????

I think a drop point is more useful for everyday use, but I like the looks of a Wharncliffe.