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HOW THE FIGHT STARTED... One year, I decided to buy my mother-in-law a cemetery plot as a Christmas gift. The next year, I didn't buy her a gift. When she asked me why, I replied, "Well, you still haven't used the gift I bought you last year!" And that's how the fight started..... ______________________________ __ My wife and I were watching Who Wants To Be A Millionaire while we were in bed. I turned to her and said, 'Do you want to have sex?' 'No,' she answered. I then said, 'Is that your final answer?' She didn't even look at me this time, simply saying, 'Yes..' So I said, "Then I'd like to phone a friend." And that's when the fight started... ______________________________ __ I took my wife to a restaurant. The waiter, for some reason, took my order first. "I'll have the rump steak, rare, please." He said, "Aren't you worried about the mad cow?" "Nah, she can order for herself." And that's when the fight started..... ______________________________ _ My wife at her high school reunion, and she kept staring at a drunk swigging his drink as he sat alone at a nearby table. I asked her, "Do you know him?" "Yes", she sighed, he's my old boyfriend He began drinking right after we split up years ago, and hasn't been sober since." "My God!" I said, "Who would think a person could go on celebrating that long?" And then the fight started... ______________________________ __ When our lawn mower broke my wife kept nagging me to get it fixed. But, I always had something else to take care of. Finally she thought of a clever way to make her point. I found her seated in the tall, unmowed grass, busily snipping away with a tiny pair of scissors. I watched silently for a short time and then went into the house. I was gone only a minute, and when I came out again I handed her a toothbrush. I said, "When you finish cutting the grass, you might as well sweep the driveway." The doctors say I will walk again, but I will always have a limp. ______________________________ My wife sat down next to me as I was flipping channels . She asked, "What's on TV?" I said, "Lots of dust." And then the fight started... ______________________________ __ My wife was hinting about what she wanted for our upcoming anniversary. She said, "I want something shiny that goes from 0 to 165 in about 2 seconds." I bought her a bathroom scale. And then the fight started...... ______________________________ After retiring, I went to the Social Security office to apply for benefits. The woman behind the counter asked me for my driver's License to verify my age. I looked in my pockets and realized I had left it at home. I told the woman I would have to go home and come back later. The woman said, 'Unbutton your shirt'. So I opened my shirt revealing my curly silver chest hair. She said, 'That silver hair on your chest is proof enough for me' and she processed my Social Security application. When I got home, I told my wife about my experience at the Social Security office. She said, 'You should have dropped your pants. You might have gotten disability too.' And then the fight started... ______________________________ __ My wife was standing naked, looking in the bedroom mirror. She was not happy with what she saw and said to me, "I feel horrible; I look old, fat and ugly. I really need you to pay me a compliment.' I replied, "Your eyesight's damn near perfect." That's when the fight began . . ______________________________ __ I rear-ended a car this morning. . . the start of a really bad day! The driver got out of the other car, and he was a DWARF!! He looked up at me and said 'I am NOT Happy!' So I said, 'Well, which one ARE you then?' That's how the fight started

Good god, Rob! Don't tell Zeke he's right. Some of us still up here have to deal with his ego. NEVER feed the ego. What were you thinking, really?

I paid $750 decades ago. I give hundreds per year since on merchandise. Shame on you cheapskates. Life Beneficiary represent. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

as much as I hate NRA for not doing anything in NJ.. I still pay up...and anyone who is not NRA member should surrender their guns.

Just made by final ez pay payment for my life membership... I got it last time they had the $600 deal... -Jim

Don’t make me turn you over my knee and spank you...

Jus got off phone with champion. expecting to release Wheely bird wobbler this summer. @Krdshrk

1 Year Membership - $30.00 (Regularly $40) 3 Year Membership - $85.00 (Regularly $100) 5 Year Membership - $100.00 (Regularly $140) Life Membership - $600.00 (Regularly $1500) https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp?campaignid=XR029579

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion.

Thankfully Florida just voted down an AWB minutes ago. They also voted down the bump stock ban and mag limits. They only thing they approved was a 10% tax on CWP licenses, I’ll live with that now. A lot of people fought for their rights. I’ve spent the entire day making calls and writing mails. I will also be supporting very pro-2a republicans only in the elections this fall. Fortunately Florida still has a repub super majority, they aren’t the best 2a Republicans but they demonstrated today that they know where their bread is buttered. It was scary that I almost moved to a tropical version of NYS

Well in light of all this crap going on I promoted myself to Patron this morning. Now I'll salute myself in the mirror when I shave.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Million-gun-march-3-16-18-photo-edit-needed-check-op-/5-2084435/ looks like a counter protest is starting to form. Seems that they are starting to line up a good list of speakers. Will be interesting to see if they will be granted permits for this.

I hate NRA spam and junk mail but after seeing the brainwashing on display in the media lately, I went ahead and converted to Life Member.

They are pretty much all gone...Rays, Meltzers, Efingers. One by one...sad. Being in NJ certainly does not help.

GRIZ & Displaced Texan: Maybe you two should go to this year's Army-Navy football game as friendly rivals.....? GRIZ: I suggest that you ask Displaced Texan to be responsible for the tailgating food..... AVB-AMG

A2761 "The bill exempts law enforcement officers from the bill’s 10 round limit on ammunition magazines by authorizing them to possess and carry while on duty a large capacity ammunition magazine and possess and carry while off duty a large capacity ammunition magazine which is capable of holding up to 15 rounds of ammunition. The bill also permits retired police officers authorized to possess and carry a handgun in this State to continue to possess and carry a magazine capable of holding up to 15 rounds." Next "Only the police should have Guns...."

How do I pin these for 15 rounds?

Aren't you the same one who was asking about going to another state and buying long gun there without NJ FPID ? Let me repeat the response again. Law abiding citizens follow State and Federal Laws. Criminals don't. There is no loophole. Criminals don't drive all the way to some gun show to take advantage of a non-existing "loophole". They can buy stuff they want at the corner in Newark or Camden, no problem. And you can thank Democrats for that situation.

I saw that televised meetings with governors. He also mentioned NOTHING about raising the age to buy rifles to 21 (which he was mentioning earlier), he emphasized hardening the targets (including by giving teachers an opportunity to carry in school as an added defense), AND (a big one) he addressed the fact that many states have closed psychiatric hospitals and so we have a terrible dearth of psych beds. Oh, and he SLAMMED the bungled response by law enforcement (missed signs, dropped tips, etc.) Overall, he shifted a bit BACK in the 2A direction. I'd say... stay calm... see where it all shakes out. But, in the meantime, this is a president who's a bit wishy-washy on things, so call or write the White House and advise everyone you know to do similarly.

Was a well kept secret.

There's a typo in A2757. They copied and pasted (2) and (3) even though 2 is for handguns and 3 is for rifles/shotguns etc. 3 says you have to perform a NICS check for the person looking to acquire a handgun under the rifle section.

Because a rso shot the lights with it

Very cool

Everyone here needs to click and read each of the proposed bills. We are doing a disservice to ourselves by not knowing exactly what each entails, and can therefore be very easily rebutted in any debate on the subject. For example A2759 - adds or (3) any person, other than a law enforcement officer, who knowingly has in his possession handgun ammunition which has a full metal jacket and an ogive with a steel penetrator tip followed by an aluminum core and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

No doubt there are other breeds better for that sort of stuff. Point I was making is that the pit bull family of dogs can make great family dogs especially around small children. They get a bad wrap from the media. I'm not saying any specific breed is bad around chirldren just that's what pit bulls specifically Staffordshire terriers were created to do.

You are correct. And it pains me that you are correct. I forget where I live sometimes.

Pits have always been good family dogs. Its what Staffordshire terriers were breed for. They just need to be trained and socialized (as any dog should be) and have an owner that keeps up with training and disipline.

Don't give them any more ideas :-/

Whoo Hoo! Wait until they start announcing what they want to ban! What a crock.

Thanks for the warm welcome guys. It's good to know there are a few other Warren guys here.

You're welcome. https://archive.org/details/firearmsmanuals?sort=titleSorter

Welcome! You come at a good time. We need all the help and support we can get.

They just need to make websites and post the videos there. The tens of thousands of viewers they already have will bring traffic and through ads can generate profit to cover expenses and then some.

Welcome!

AVB is paid by the word and response apparently.

He’d Never show up for that.

Welcome!

@AndrewS I love it there. I have a membership, so i take advantage of Sat and Sun mornings 7am to 10am where its members only. During that time frame i've only ever had to wait once and that was for 10 mins. During the day on the weekends are of course busier... so I usually try to stick to member only hours, but the longest wait i've ever encountered has been 30 mins. I haven't shot there on a weekday yet so I can't comment on those. Very clean, staff is very pleasant... RO's have been very nice and helpful if you have any questions. It's a longer drive for me, but I specifically became a member there because when I get a membership someplace I expect that to mean something .. and not just act as a "pre-paid discount" for range time. At RTSP with my membership I dont pay for range time. I guess it all depends on how often you plan to go shooting, but I tend to go at least once a week so either there or elsewhere such as GFH, Longshot etc, you need to calculate out how much your going to shoot and if a membership and the perks make sense for your given situation. GFH is a nice place too .. anyone I have every dealt with is very friendly and helpful. But just way too crowded for my tastes. GFH is closer than RTSP for me but I still go to RTSP. Once they open their expansion and have the 60 ports, then maybe that will help with the wait times and such.. i would hope so anyway.

Biggest advantage is saving on transfer fees, but doesn't seem to apply in PRNJ since it still has to go through FFL01. Though you could buy C&R direct from seller in a free state and bring back, I think. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

239 posts and only 6 likes! I wonder why!

No one would force teachers to carry. Completely voluntary. Also would require training. Many Retired Municipal Cops who are hired now as Special III in NJ at $12/hr have never fired their firearm on duty or been fired at. I can live with ex Veterans and ex police who are fully vetted and carrying concealed at schools. I would give preference to Veterans first. However also allowing teachers to be armed is another layer of protection and more immediate protection. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

WTF dude? Unnecessary. If this is how we treat folks after having their eyes opened a bit? It is no wonder we are always fighting, and often losing our rights. Everyone in this world is a victim of their own frame of reference and no one holds all the keys to the kingdom. We each view the world, the people in it, and the things that happen with a bias towards what we have experienced, what we have come to believe is the truth of this world. Not everyone has been a victim of a violent crime. Not everyone has seen evil. You can not expect everyone to come to the same conclusions as “you” on their own. Some folks need a little help. This is the part we are supposed to be better at. Using facts and logic to defeat emotion and rhetoric. A lot of you in this thread are lacking that ability - some of you all sound like Democrats with your idle threats, and attempts at silencing. Screaming over an attempt at dialogue - shit some of you sound like you’ve been triggered and need a safe space. Russian shill? Come on. A bunch of folks here have met him - hell, he came to a shotgun shoot. I expect better from my brother and sister gun owners. I am very disappointed. Be gracious. Take the win. You actually changed someone’s mind. And if you look, it wasn’t the ones who gnashed their teeth add wrent their clothes over AVB’s statements. It was those of us who held true to the core values of our side of the argument - the ones who used calm and directed knowledge, undisputed facts, and truth, that changed AVB’s mind. AVB, I am directly opposed to the statements made by the congresscritter from Florida. Many others in this thread have covered the big points but basically it boils down to this - You can not legislate evil, and people are evil. Guns are tools. We are facing a software issue, not a hardware one. I believe that the big issue we are facing is the fact that those with mental instability of any kind are placed in a “protected class”. By doing such we are doing everyone a disservice. I think we need a complete overhaul of the mental health system before we will see a drastic change in the kind of behavior that can creates someone that thinks shooting up a school is a good thing. In the meantime, we need more SROs - I have many thoughts on what it means to be an SRO but that is a different topic.

I have no axe to grind with AVB-AMG or anybody else. I am merely an observer and want to make an observation. The pro-gun rights side vs the gun prohibition side is constantly being badgered to "compromise" and to "find middle ground". This cannot be achieved because the gun prohibition side of the argument is dishonest. They claim to be compromising but never give up anything. They just move their goal posts to a lesser ban for the duration of any negotiation - e.g. "just give up 15 round magazines and make the limit 5 but we will compromise at 10". The only compromise they are really making is that they won't demand total disarmament of everybody just yet. It is an incremental approach that needs to stop. The goal is a ban on everything. The "nobody is trying to take your guns" is a lie. Not one more inch. I'm done. I had all my pistols confiscated in England in 1997 to allow the politicians to say they did something after Dunblane and before the inquiry was completed. They will never admit they did something completely ineffective and they will never admit how much they spent from the public purse compensating law abiding people for stealing their property. When one side argues from a position of lies, there is no way to negotiate.

I have the jaws for copper up to 4", Black Iron jaws up to 2", Viega Pex jaws to 1", and Parker zoom lock jaws for doing refrigeration. Can't remember the last time I touched my B-tank. Or my Ridgid 300 threader. All dust collectors now. Every boiler install I press everything, gas pipes, and steam I press too. I've evolved with the trade I guess. None of this stuff existed when I was an apprentice 20 years ago. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Looks like the stars aligned, having never really done this before I was shocked to see my permits approved in under 24 hours. I've used butyl tape and sealant before. Probably the most miserable tape to be invented but dang is it good. I'm planning on renting a dingo, kinda excited for that.

Honestly, I didn't read the article yet. Forgive me, @AVB-AMG. I definitely will! I have to download Chrome, LOL, and read it through that anonymous method someone suggested - I'm currently blocked from seeing the article. But, my family were all mental health workers - and we discussed these issues at the dinner table my whole life and I continue to track mental health developments closely. So, I'm going to pontificate anyway... (forgive me, it's book-length)... First of all, nothing will ever stop ALL mass killers. It's a part of human nature that rears up now and again - it has since the beginning of time and it will always be that way. That is a stark reality. Anyone who denies it is in la-la land. But, some of the changes that might prevent a mass killing could also prevent a common ex-felon from getting a gun.. any we should consider them anyway. These are the options I see getting tossed around and the plusses/minuses of each (in my view): Confiscate/Remove Guns Entirely?: (-) Removes fundamental/constitutional rights. Ignores that statistics reveal guns are used to protect at least 2x more than they're used for crime. So if you remove guns from legal owners, you put them at risk by removing their ability to defend themselves.. (-) it doesn't prevent a determined killer from: a) getting a black market gun, b) using something else - box truck, explosives, arson, etc. (Interesting historic point, the worst mass killing in a school in U.S. history is still the one that happened in Bath, MI in the 1920's - someone detonated a bomb - NO GUNS USED). More Gun Control?: A) Outlaw the AR-15 and/or large capacity magazines? (-) All rifles combined account for a tiny fraction of total murders with a gun. Why on earth go after the LEAST common root cause? The fact that an AR-15 was used in a half-dozen mass murders - it's horrifying, yes, but is it "statistically" significant? No! Handguns, due to concealability, still account for the greatest amount of murders by far. (-) It is "functionally" no different than other common magazine-fed rifles. It has no special magic powers that I'm aware of. So, what does removing it from citizens do? Pragmatically speaking? Nothing! (-) Reduce magazine size? 10's of millions own standard size magazines with no issues - let's not turn them into instant felons because of an occasional madman. (-) And, how fast can someone change a magazine? Pretty damn quick. Stop focusing on the hardware B) Raise the age to own guns to 21? (+) We know far more about brain development then we did years ago.. we know teens are impulsive, have worse judgment, and are more likely to suffer from mood swings. I personally think it's worth discussing. (-) Then again, we used to have young teenage kids bring their rifles to school. It was a common practice. Has the nation's youth changed so much that they can't be trusted? And if they're so childlike and mentally unformed, how do we justify allowing 18 year olds to join the military? To get married? To rent a moving truck? To buy a pressure cooker and fireworks? To defend their own life/others? etc., etc. - it's complicated! C) Other gun control options? (-) Most of the options I've seen conveniently ignore the fact that the vast majority of crimes are by ex-felons - often young black men slaughtering other young black men. It's "racist" (I'm dead serious) to wail ONLY when mostly white kids get slaughtered in a mass event, while ignoring the much higher body count in poor inner city neighborhoods. You would think politically correct progressives would have figured that out by now. (-) It's not just racist, it's illogical to focus on the least common. (-) Most gun control options punish the law-abiding for the crimes of the criminals - a perverse approach. (-) It's foolish to focus on the "tool" not the "operator". While we're so busy focused on guns, what's to keep a sick kid from placing a few pipe bombs? Better Enforcement of Existing Laws?: (+) This is a no-brainer... and I see no downsides. We've seen mass killings that were completely avoidable because someone didn't follow protocol... didn't upload records, etc. (+) We SHOULD be able to get both sides to agree to this - it's the least controversial and perhaps the most impactful. We should push to come-together on this - both Dems, Independents and Repubs - pro2A and anti2A. If the gun control types actually "just want to save one life" - call them on it. This is a way to do it. Harden the Targets?: (+) The governments pays to protect courthouses, companies pay to protect their corporate campuses, banks pay to protect their cash and employees... why WOULDN'T we do this? Seriously, this is another no brainer. Even I (who bitches about my school's share of property taxes) would have no problem paying a bit more for police, security guards or regular training for teachers willing to step up to that role. (+) It protects not only against the occasional ordinary kook, but it also protects against a terrorist attack against a school- a tactic we have already seen used overseas. Better Mental Health Treatment & Agency Coordination?: (+) We are judged by how we treat the weakest in our society. We fail our mentally ill MISERABLY. They populate our jails, our ERs, our underpasses, our subway tunnels... they are beaten, robbed, raped and murdered at higher percentages than the rest of us...or they die of exposure, etc., etc. We should invest more into this... simply because it's moral and the right thing to do. We need no other reason. (+) Too many of these killers were, in fact, well-known to be mentally "off" - this latest young man was known to: neighbors, DYFS, the school administration, other students, local police, the FBI - hell, do these groups ever talk to each other? Compare notes? Flag cases that might need follow-up? Sure, it won't work in every case, but what if we prevented even 10%? I think it's quite possible. Besides, it's humane for society to help redirect someone's downward spiral. (+) People might argue that some of this goes against HIPAA and the rights of the mentally ill that were hard-won in recent years. To a small degree - I'm fine with that, simply because I think we swung the pendulum much too far towards allowing seriously mentally ill people to determine their own fate, then they go off their meds, and quickly become very sick again. Look up a program called AOT - Assisted Outpatient Treatment - it should be implemented nationwide. In New York, it's called Kendra's Law. Basically, someone with a known history of mental illness (and this is overseen by a judge so there's due process) who needs treatment (psychotropic drugs, etc.) is required to check in for regular blood tests and the like to make sure he/she STAYS on the meds. If the person doesn't, they are committed involuntarily. This needs to happen along with funding for more psychiatric beds in communities. I don't trust any mental health professional who says "there's nothing we can do." That's a cop-out. (+) I think we need to give serious pushback on the pharma industry despite their powerful lobby. We need to determine if the use of SSRI's specifically in teenagers is truly advisable, and if so, whether it should be so widespread.. and whether it should only be prescribed by a psychiatrist (not a regular family doctor). We KNOW these drugs cause rage and suicidal ideation in a small percentage of people - and an awful lot of these teens who perpetrated mass killings were on them. (+) While we're at it, why NOT invest some dollars into studying some of the other changes in society - social media, violent games and movies - to see if there's any causation on real-world violence? Changing the News Coverage?: (+) This is another no-brainer IMO. Every serious, credible psychologist who has studied these killers all came to the same conclusion - the breathless, sirens blaring, 24x7 media coverage inspires copycats. So, why do we let the media continue on that path? Why can't we pressure the media industry to develop and adhere to certain agreed-to "standards" on how to handle the media coverage of these cases? They should be shamed into it if need be. I see NO downside to this either. Trump should push this - a collaboration of experts and media types coming up with voluntary standards. Ha! Let's watch the media squirm as they try to deny their own culpability and therefore reveal their hypocrisy. >>>>I personally think a multi-pronged approach is best. Those last 4 things I mentioned cry out for action: improved enforcement, hardening schools, better mental health treatment/coordination and sensible media coverage - because, arguably, they are the MOST likely to have real impact on school shooters (and, in some cases, on the much more prevalent career felons). At the same time, they SHOULD be the least controversial as they create NO infringement on the rights of law-abiding gun owners. Seriously, are we so screwed up... so polarized... so divided as a country... that we can't get traction on one or more of these? It's pathetic.

And now you are on a list.

DINGDINGDINGDING! WE HAVE A WINNAH!

Just think about how much your property taxes will go up if self driving cars become a reality. They don't speed, run red lights etc. All towns subsidize their income off municipal court fines and most of that is driving infractions.

Not yet, but eventually. The conservative justices seem to have been reluctant to take on another 2A case -- for now. My guess is that is because they think that Kennedy is at best a wild card. I'd feel more comfortable with 2 more conservative justices before they take on another 2A case. Since the AR outsells the #1 selling vehicle in the United States, the Ford F-Series, it's difficult to argue that it's not in common use. I think that's the way they will eventually rule. Eventually. In the meantime, can you find a friend in a 2A friendly state who will keep your naughty parts for you? The larger problem from my perspective is state spending and taxes. I would be happy to trade 5-round pistol magazines (if they were manufactured) for Florida's tax rates. Our lawyer splits his time between Florida and New Jersey -- and so does President Trump. It seems obvious why people do this. Where is this going? The last conservative New Jersey governor left in 1944. Since then, it's been a progressive downhill slide. If, over the next 4 years, just 100,000 more taxpayers leave the state, it should make a difference. As the state attracts more people who desire the services that it provides and repels more people who pay taxes, the state will eventually run out of money to tax and spend and will enter receivership. Then a court appointed panel of adults will make the spending decisions. I don't think Murphy can see this. One of the reasons may be that his Wall Street friends aren't really affected by it. Because of the peculiarities of New Jersey / New York tax treaties (or lack of tax treaties) they are paying taxes at the max New York income tax rate, and even New Jersey looks good in comparison. Not so for anyone else. Pennsylvania is one of 2 states that excludes all retirement income -- Social Security, IRA, 401K, pensions -- from the state income tax. Plus they are 2A friendly. Plus my daughter has already moved there. So that will probably be my choice.